If we vote for Brexit what happens

Moby

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

What irritated me most about the eu (bear in mind I voted remain) was the fact we were blocked from deporting serious criminals back to the eu due to FOM. The eu population in our jails has been shown to be growing steadily, topped by Poles. I know we have our own serious criminals but we should not have to allow any more than necessary to remain in this country, why should we allow any foreign criminals to stay in this country? If they want to stay with their family they can all go to whatever country they are from.

To my mind this is very important and should top any list.

This isn't accurate and shows how much ignorance there is over the EU. Freedom of movement doesn't stop us deporting criminals back to other EU countries. The legislation to do this has always been there, it's just the the Govmt didn't use it. It is actually doing it now a lot more however. I know this because my workload has increased;)

Rinoa

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Which countries aren't contributing the agreed 2% of GDP to NATO? Seems as if the US has a right to be annoyed.

Here's a breakdown of each country's contribution, based on 2016 figures provided by NATO:

Luxembourg, 0.44%.

Looks as though the EU's Luxembourg agent is too embarrassed to comment.

mystic_trev

gfplux wrote: »

Surely everyone of the people who voted for Brexit are looking forward to the negotiations.
Having been made to wait almost 12 months they must be champing at the bit to get it started.

I think you'll find they're more interested in getting the negotiations finished!

Tromking

Yah_Boo_Sux wrote: »

Merkel's on the campaign trail. What did you expect from her as she attempts another term? A statement saying she is on the side of UK regarding Brexit?

Merkel is indeed in election mode and perhaps there is considerable electoral mileage in lumping Brexit together with the political maelstrom that is 'Trump' in Germany.
However when did Merkel and ergo Germany become the de facto leader of 'Europe'?
Setpiece speeches setting out the EU agenda seem to emanate largely from Germany now, save from the odd chirp from the French now and again.
The supine like acquiescence from the other EU nations is uncanny, they either agree with every utterance from Berlin or are too frit to challenge the nation that economically dominates the EU so much.
A confident and brash Germany is worrying.

cogito

Tromking wrote: »

Merkel is indeed in election mode and perhaps there is considerable electoral mileage in lumping Brexit together with the political maelstrom that is 'Trump' in Germany.
However when did Merkel and ergo Germany become the de facto leader of 'Europe'?
Setpiece speeches setting out the EU agenda seem to emanate largely from Germany now, save from the odd chirp from the French now and again.
The supine like acquiescence from the other EU nations is uncanny, they either agree with every utterance from Berlin or are too frit to challenge the nation that economically dominates the EU so much.
A confident and brash Germany is worrying.

I disagree. There is increasing resistance from the Visegrad 4 to French and German plans to relaunch the EU and there is a very interesting read here:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/810363/European-leaders-Donald-Tusk-EU-integration-Macron-Merkel

Yes, I know it's the Express but corresponding reports are in the Slovak press and elsewhere. Remember also that it's the East European members of the EU who stand to lose most when the UK contributions cease. They are looking to the Germans and other net contributors to fill the gap which is why the EU want to squeeze us for every last penny.

There are very real tensions between the eastern members who escaped the Soviet empire and do not want to be part of an EUSSR dominated by the original six just as there are between the northern members and the mediterranean members whose economies have been devastated by the euro.

The project is in trouble and the only answer that they have is more Europe. That's no answer at all.

gfplux

Rinoa wrote: »

Looks as though the EU's Luxembourg agent is too embarrassed to comment.

I have no comment to make. I have no idea why the contribution from the Luxembourg state is so low. Luxembourg GDP per person is two and a half times greater than that of Britain (OECD) so the gap between the spend of Britain and Luxembourg is not as great as it seems. Except that is another HUGE debate.

I live in Luxembourg. Luxembourg is my home. Luxembourg is a good place to live.
While I may from time to time put people right if they have facts mixed up about Luxembourg I can assure you Luxembourg knows how to look after itself.
I comment on this thread as a British citizen having a huge interest and sadness at the very thought of Britain leaving the EU. I do not work (agent) for Luxembourg, having been retired for twenty years I don't work for any employer.

Tromking

gfplux wrote: »

I live in Luxembourg. Luxembourg is my home. Luxembourg is a good place to live.
While I may from time to time put people right if they have facts mixed up about Luxembourg I can assure you Luxembourg knows how to look after itself.

That patently isn't true, hence its post war decision to join NATO.

A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life

Tromking wrote: »

Merkel is indeed in election mode and perhaps there is considerable electoral mileage in lumping Brexit together with the political maelstrom that is 'Trump' in Germany.
However when did Merkel and ergo Germany become the de facto leader of 'Europe'?
Setpiece speeches setting out the EU agenda seem to emanate largely from Germany now, save from the odd chirp from the French now and again.
The supine like acquiescence from the other EU nations is uncanny, they either agree with every utterance from Berlin or are too frit to challenge the nation that economically dominates the EU so much.
A confident and brash Germany is worrying.

German influence in the EU is worrying. Merkel's influence especially.

If you don't think so or if you did not consider this before, just think about the dinner meeting between May and Juncker on the Evening of 26th April.
Who did Juncker call following this dinner? Angela Merkel!

After the meal Mr Juncker called Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/01/jean-claude-juncker-says-theresa-may-deluded-scathing-call-angela/

Jean-Claude Juncker is President of the European Comission.
Angela Merkel is Chancellor of Germany.
Why instead did Juncker not phone for example Donald Tusk, the EU President - or Michel Barnier, the EU's Chief Negotiator for Brexit? Or why did Juncker not call a meeting if he was concerned in any way? Indeed, why did Juncker not contact other EU member country's leaders as he did Merkel?

In times of such sensitive discussions such blatant actions surely can only highlight the domination Germany has over the EU.

Tromking

A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life wrote: »

German influence in the EU is worrying. Merkel's influence especially.

If you don't think so or if you did not consider this before, just think about the dinner meeting between May and Juncker on the Evening of 26th April.
Who did Juncker call following this dinner? Angela Merkel! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/01/jean-claude-juncker-says-theresa-may-deluded-scathing-call-angela/

Jean-Claude Juncker is President of the European Comission.
Angela Merkel is Chancellor of Germany.
Why instead did Juncker not phone for example Donald Tusk, the EU President - or Michel Barnier, the EU's Chief Negotiator for Brexit? Or why did Juncker not call a meeting if he was concerned in any way? Indeed, why did Juncker not contact other EU member country's leaders as he did Merkel?

In times of such sensitive discussions such blatant actions surely can only highlight the domination Germany has over the EU.

A phone call that appparently didn't go unnoticed in the Irish parliament, when an opposition MP enquired of the Irish PM if he had been the courtesy of a Juncker 'update' after the ill fated Downing Street dinner.
I don't go with the 'Fourth Reich' narrative usually, but when you hear that most German's now view themselves as Europeans over being German, then clearly something is going on.

always_sunny

Tromking wrote: »

A phone call that appparently didn't go unnoticed in the Irish parliament, when an opposition MP enquired of the Irish PM if he had been the courtesy of a Juncker 'update' after the ill fated Downing Street dinner.
I don't go with the 'Fourth Reich' narrative usually, but when you hear that most German's now view themselves as Europeans over being German, then clearly something is going on.

What do you think it's going on? It's not just the Germans that may feel more European over nationality. I am not sure what's so odd about it. I am not sure why people here feel so different from Europeans.