If we vote for Brexit what happens

Tromking

always_sunny wrote: »

What do you think it's going on? It's not just the Germans that may feel more European over nationality. I am not sure what's so odd about it. I am not sure why people here feel so different from Europeans.

Perhaps as co-architects of the whole project, the German's have more skin in the game than most, and we as late arrivals have never felt the ownership of the EU that the Germans possess. Aside from the usual suspects in Northern Europe, I don't see the huge love for the supranational that Merkel seems desperate for, indeed I sense more of a fear from the smaller nations of being left behind.
Lest we forget however that it's perhaps easier for a German to be pro EU/European when you enjoy a massive trade surplus with the rest of the EU.

always_sunny

Tromking wrote: »

Perhaps as co-architects of the whole project, the German's have more skin in the game than most, and we as late arrivals have never felt the ownership of the EU that the Germans possess. Aside from the usual suspects in Northern Europe, I don't see the huge love for the supranational that Merkel seems desperate for, indeed I sense more of a fear from the smaller nations of being left behind.
Lest we forget however that it's perhaps easier for a German to be pro EU/European when you enjoy a massive trade surplus with the rest of the EU.

Why does Germany have a trade surplus and the UK does not?
What goods does the UK manufactures that are exported within the EU?
If the UK had a surplus but not Germany would that be okay then?

(Most in Europe feel the same (I guess) as those here with the CTA (UK/Ireland), not sure there is more to it. )

sevenhills

Tromking wrote: »

Lest we forget however that it's perhaps easier for a German to be pro EU/European when you enjoy a massive trade surplus with the rest of the EU.

What will change, when we are outside of the EU?

We are still plugging free trade, thats what we already have.

Tromking

always_sunny wrote: »

Why does Germany have a trade surplus and the UK does not?
What goods does the UK manufactures that are exported within the EU?
If the UK had a surplus but not Germany would that be okay then?

(Most in Europe feel the same (I guess) as those here with the CTA (UK/Ireland), not sure there is more to it. )

You're not aware then of the internal and external pressures on Germany to reduce its trade surplus with the rest of the Eurozone?
I'm not sure 'everyone be like Germany' is going to be the answer for too much longer in the EU, especially in southern parts of the continent.

Enterprise_1701C

sevenhills wrote: »

What will change, when we are outside of the EU?

We are still plugging free trade, thats what we already have.

We will no longer be told what to do by Germany disguised as the eu.

I have always felt that the eu is Germany trying to take over the world by stealth because the war did not do it.

They say it is to prevent war, but who was it that started the two world wars in the first place.

The common market was a good idea, but it gradually became a federal state of Europe, that is not a good idea, especially when you get the bully boys Germany running the currency that is used as a cosh to keep the others in line, they currently have Greece on their knees begging for a third bail out. Other countries will not be far behind because they cannot operate their own fiscal policies. What is right for Germany is so very wrong for the others.

I believe that in a few hundred years the whole world will be united, but in the meantime countries need to be able to operate their own policies as regards migration and fiscal matters, they certainly do not need to be told by Germany how to run their countries.

always_sunny

Tromking wrote: »

You're not aware then of the internal and external pressures on Germany to reduce its trade surplus with the rest of the Eurozone?
I'm not sure 'everyone be like Germany' is going to be the answer for too much longer in the EU, especially in southern parts of the continent.

I am aware of it, but the reality is that Germany (as a country) is a manufacturing powerhouse.
There's no 'everyone be like Germany' in the EU, however it is true that the Germany economy performs well.

Do you believe that Italy, Spain, Portugal, etc are being forced to be like 'Germany'?
It is true that these countries however need to sort their economies.

sevenhills

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

The common market was a good idea, but it gradually became a federal state of Europe, that is not a good idea,

I believe that in a few hundred years the whole world will be united.

That a good aim, but none of it explains why Germany are trading better than the UK. Perhaps its down to plain old UK policies, not EU policies.

gfplux

An interesting or perhaps important article.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/30/painstaking-detail-brexit-process-revealed-eu-documents
"Just 10 days before the general election, the EU published two documents that will affect every person living in Britain for years to come. Despite being dropped into the maelstrom of an election caused by Brexit, there was hardly a murmur.
The documents were the most detailed positions yet from the EU’s chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, on the upcoming divorce talks with the UK.
In two policy papers, the bloc has elaborated its stance on the Brexit bill and citizens’ rights."

Posters might want to download the two positioning papers (link in the article) 4 and 10 pages of detail EVERYONE needs to understand if you want to be up to speed ready for the start.

setmefree2

A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life wrote: »

In times of such sensitive discussions such blatant actions surely can only highlight the domination Germany has over the EU.

And also highlights that at any point it was in Markel's gift to get the UK to stay....

setmefree2

President Donald Trump went after Germany in an early morning tweet on Tuesday, adding to apparently strained relations with German Chancellor Angela Merkel.


"We have a MASSIVE trade deficit with Germany, plus they pay FAR LESS than they should on NATO & military," said Trump. "Very bad for U.S. This will change."


The tweet comes following remarks by Chancellor Merkel on Monday that appeared to stress the need to pivot away from the US and UK.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-tweet-on-germany-nato-2017-5

You wouldn't think Germany would want to !!!! off all those American consumers would you?


I wonder how Trump will get on with Prime Minister Corbyn?