If we vote for Brexit what happens

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Since some in here seem to jump upon every bit of negativity regarding the UK and were gloomy regarding supposedly slowing UK spending, here is news from Germany:

German retail sales unexpectedly fell in April, data showed on Wednesday, dampening hopes that private consumption will propel growth in Europe's largest economy this year.
................. On the year, shops saw sales decline by 0.9 percent in April, contrasting with the consensus forecast for a 2.3 percent increase.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-germany-economy-retail-idUKKBN18R0MR?il=0

always_sunny

Tromking wrote: »

I think people are just flagging up the flaw in a construct ie the Eurozone, that has Germany flourishing and others begging for bailouts courtesy of the IMF and German taxpayers.
Regardless of how individual countries got to this state of affairs, if the EU is to become the supranational entity the Germans want it to be, then the German policy of 'he who pays the piper, calls the tune' will not work forever with the people's of Southern Europe.
Most countries in comparison with Germany aren't doing so well, the UK is in good company.

Let them flag, [really] you can only flag and fix from the inside.
People seem always so keen in bringing up all these issues, but are often very short on solutions.
What other model should the EU adopt/look? The USA one? The UK one? These ones are flawless?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Jean-Claude Juncker "grilled" again yesterday over tax scandal:

European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker appeared before an inquiry hearing of MEPs, probing dubious tax schemes in Luxembourg and elsewhere.

https://euobserver.com/justice/138069

German Green MEP Sven Giegold welcomed Juncker's shift as EU commission president towards greater tax justice, but said that big questions remained unanswered about his past roles in Luxembourg.
"You've turned from Saul to Paul on the road to Damascus, so now you are working hard on tax evasion but citizens want to have a clear statement of responsibility about what you did in the past," said Giegold.

Tromking

always_sunny wrote: »

Let them flag, [really] you can only flag and fix from the inside.
People seem always so keen in bringing up all these issues, but are often very short on solutions.
What other model should the EU adopt/look? The USA one? The UK one? These ones are flawless?

In so far as the UK has had little or no say in the future direction of the EU and the fact we are now leaving, then its clearly not our problem anymore.
Ironically the Germans saw the UK as 'fellow travellers' as regards free trade etc. and a useful ally against the then more protectionist instincts of the French.
All Merkel had to do last year was throw Cameron a kipper, but she gambled and lost.
I'm surprised she's not been held more accountable for the self inflicted EU wound that was/is Brexit.

kabayiri

always_sunny wrote: »

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What other model should the EU adopt/look? The USA one? The UK one? These ones are flawless?

Why should we expect the same model to work for an EU of 28 states compared to the much smaller original founding members?

If anything, the EU is more diverse in terms of economic strength.

There seem to be two contradictory trends to me :
- the desire for greater integration
- the desire for greater expansion.

How do you balance these?

always_sunny

Tromking wrote: »

In so far as the UK has had little or no say in the future direction of the EU and the fact we are now leaving, then its clearly not our problem anymore.
Ironically the Germans saw the UK as 'fellow travellers' as regards free trade etc. and a useful ally against the then more protectionist instincts of the French.
All Merkel had to do last year was throw Cameron a kipper, but she gambled and lost.
I'm surprised she's not been held more accountable for the self inflicted EU wound that was/is Brexit.

But why? Why should the UK have concessions that other member states don't have?
The easiest option would have been for the UK to amend current rules (i.e. contributory benefits) but preference is to be different.

The main lunacy here is British voters expecting a better deal outside the union than inside, but let's see how it works out. So far, with certainty no one knows.

cogito

always_sunny wrote: »

But why? Why should the UK have concessions that other member states don't have?
The easiest option would have been for the UK to amend current rules (i.e. contributory benefits) but preference is to be different.

You think that's easy? cameron asked for little and got less. How do you think he would have fared if he'd asked for something really important?

Conrad

always_sunny wrote: »

The main lunacy here is British voters expecting a better deal outside the union than inside,

Classic Remain myth - no one says we expect a better deal with the EU, but one good enough to allow unhampered trade AND now the ability to be fully autonomous to our benefit.

Conrad

If Corbyn wins the GE, we wont be leaving the EU.


Starmer, Lady Nugee and others around him all want to remain.


Cant wait for double the immigration thus more congestion, more housing demand, transport strikes, mortgage payments rocketing, taxes going up and a doubling of national debt leaving us very exposed when the next recession comes along.


Starrey eyed Corbyinstas will be fuming when they realise their vote was entirely fuelled by emotional free money populist nonsense.

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

If Corbyn wins the GE, we wont be leaving the EU.

We will if we get a good enough deal. We won't if we're stuck with WTO. Seems like a fair compromise, rather than blustering our way into WTO.