If we vote for Brexit what happens

mayonnaise

Rinoa wrote: »

We'll be dragged down with this for years if we negotiate. Even if we do end up with some kind of deal there will be endless conditions attached

The one thing business likes is certainty. Far better to bite the bullet now, leave in 2019 with no divorce bill, no further payments to the EU ever, no ECJ telling us what we can and can't do.

UK business and UK govt. know exactly where they stand and can make plans accordingly.

Yup, agreed.
We need to give businesses the certainty that we will have no deal with the largest free trade area in the world right at our doorstep so they can plan accordingly. Like relocating to the continent.

Conrad

mayonnaise wrote: »

Yup, agreed.
We need to give businesses the certainty that we will have no deal with the largest free trade area in the world right at our doorstep so they can plan accordingly. Like relocating to the continent.

Turkey, Ukraine, San Marino, Israel, S Africa, The Bailiwick of Guernsey, Canada got a deal but the UK wont, lol.


We are an EXISTING free trade partner, whereas those I cite above were not and yet they got a deal.


I do however not shy away from just walking and going WTO, we'd adapt, and could then negotiate for an EU deal as an outsider, albeit a far more important outsider than Canada or Israel.

Conrad

mayonnaise wrote: »

Excellent! The hardest of brexits. No halfway in option leaving the brexiteering headbangers a handy scapegoat when the economy tanks.

Why did Clegg, Chukka and the others say a halfway in Norway type deal would be the worst of all worlds, fax democracy, all the way through the referendum campaign?

antrobus

In the eleven months since the EU referendum, it has become a common theme that we are now a nation divided – 52/48. However, while it is true that most people still think they voted the right way last June, when it comes to the composition of the Brexit tribes in the general election, it is not a simple as “Leave” and “Remain”.

There is a third group who change the dynamics of EU-related arguments – the “Re-Leavers.” These are people who voted to Remain in the EU and many still think that leaving was the wrong decision, but crucially now believe the government has a duty to carry out the will of the British people.

When taking this into account, we can split the country into three groups instead of two: The Hard Leavers who want out of the EU (45%); the Hard Remainers who still want to try to stop Brexit (22%); and the Re-Leavers (23%). The other 9% don’t know.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/05/12/forget-52-rise-re-leavers-mean-pro-brexit-electora/

I thought people might be interested in the suggestion that two-thirds of the population now support Brexit.

mayonnaise

antrobus wrote: »

I thought people might be interested in the suggestion that two-thirds of the population now support Brexit.

There is a difference between supporting brexit and accepting the fact that the government has a mandate to pursue it.

Ballard

mayonnaise wrote: »

There is a difference between supporting brexit and accepting the fact that the government has a mandate to pursue it.

Indeed. I think that Brexit is a terrible idea but I don't want to stop it as that's what we voted for. I voice my concerns only for a moronic element of the Brexiteers brigade to claim that I'm unpatriotic and/or undemocratic.

kabayiri

mayonnaise wrote: »

There is a difference between supporting brexit and accepting the fact that the government has a mandate to pursue it.

You should know by now why the government has taken all the recent actions that it has.

If you want to appease the EU, you *don't* choose a Brexit minister like Davis. He is there to rile them up.

If you want to go all inclusive and consider the interests of the various political factions here, you *don't* call a GE straight after A50 has been triggered.

This is all single minded execution mode now. If you don't like May's approach, vote for someone like Corbyn who will be negotiating Brexit whilst also trying to raise tens of billions in extra tax. He needs to learn to walk on water fast.

always_sunny

kabayiri wrote: »

You should know by now why the government has taken all the recent actions that it has.

But will it bring the desired outcome?

Conrad

mayonnaise wrote: »

There is a difference between supporting brexit and accepting the fact that the government has a mandate to pursue it.

Remainers and soft Brexiteers have every opportunity to vote for the Lib Dems or Labour. You said all along the 48% were angry and passionate about Remaining, lets see that passion turned into votes.


If May wins a majority, her mandate is secured.

Conrad

Big decline in EU car sales.


http://www.cityam.com/264772/eu-car-sales-stall-april-drop-66-per-cent-uk-drives-decline