If we vote for Brexit what happens

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

Big decline in EU car sales.


http://www.cityam.com/264772/eu-car-sales-stall-april-drop-66-per-cent-uk-drives-decline

Interesting, so that reduces the argument that we'll definitely get a good deal because we buy so many EU cars?

I wonder if Brexit is the factor, or if there's been some credit change. Is this just because of the tax change, where anyone who was going to buy a new car wanted to do it before it changed in April, in order to save a few hundred quid a year?

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

Remainers and soft Brexiteers have every opportunity to vote for the Lib Dems or Labour. You said all along the 48% were angry and passionate about Remaining, lets see that passion turned into votes.

Not with FPTP; If you're in a safe Tory seat it doesn't really matter who you vote for (you should still vote anyway, though).

Does a Tory win mean people back Brexit, or does it mean that they don't like Labour?

Herzlos

antrobus wrote: »

In the eleven months since the EU referendum, it has become a common theme that we are now a nation divided – 52/48. However, while it is true that most people still think they voted the right way last June, when it comes to the composition of the Brexit tribes in the general election, it is not a simple as “Leave” and “Remain”.

There is a third group who change the dynamics of EU-related arguments – the “Re-Leavers.” These are people who voted to Remain in the EU and many still think that leaving was the wrong decision, but crucially now believe the government has a duty to carry out the will of the British people.

When taking this into account, we can split the country into three groups instead of two: The Hard Leavers who want out of the EU (45%); the Hard Remainers who still want to try to stop Brexit (22%); and the Re-Leavers (23%). The other 9% don’t know.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/05/12/forget-52-rise-re-leavers-mean-pro-brexit-electora/

I thought people might be interested in the suggestion that two-thirds of the population now support Brexit.

Not really. It's saying that closer to 2/3rds think it was a bad idea, but that 2/3rds want to leave anyway. That's not the same as 2/3rds thinking it is a good idea.

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

Turkey, Ukraine, San Marino, Israel, S Africa, The Bailiwick of Guernsey, Canada got a deal but the UK wont, lol.

We're not going to get the deal we currently seem to be asking for: no exit fee, full trade, full passporting, no migration, no ECJ.

We could very well get a Canada deal eventually, but it'll still be inferior to what we have now. Or we can go full WTO and hope something works itself out.

always_sunny

Conrad wrote: »

Big decline in EU car sales.

http://www.cityam.com/264772/eu-car-sales-stall-april-drop-66-per-cent-uk-drives-decline

Are Britons buying other (non-EU) cars?
"Car sales across the European Union dropped 6.6 per cent last month, driven by a 19.8 per cent decline in the UK"

Is everybody buying Nissans, Toyotas and LRs? Must be.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Herzlos wrote: »

Interesting, so that reduces the argument that we'll definitely get a good deal because we buy so many EU cars?

I wonder if Brexit is the factor, or if there's been some credit change. Is this just because of the tax change, where anyone who was going to buy a new car wanted to do it before it changed in April, in order to save a few hundred quid a year?

No.
It enforces it.


The recent tax change here certainly contributed to the UK sales decline. (I sometimes wonder whether the timing was on purpose.)
Now let's see how EU manufacturers feel about the possibility of longer-term and deeper decline if agreement cannot be reached.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Herzlos wrote: »

Not really. It's saying that closer to 2/3rds think it was a bad idea, but that 2/3rds want to leave anyway. That's not the same as 2/3rds thinking it is a good idea.

Ah, arithmetic not a strong point then?
If you remove 45% ("hard leavers") the remaining figures quoted when added together equal what?

45%. (22% plus 23%)
Hardly two-thirds.
Unless arithmetic has changed.
Even if you do add the 9% don't knows.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

always_sunny wrote: »

"Car sales across the European Union dropped 6.6 per cent last month, driven by a 19.8 per cent decline in the UK"

And somehow the Brexiteers seem to think this strengthens our hand.... Amazing.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Herzlos wrote: »

We're not going to get the deal we currently seem to be asking for: no exit fee, full trade, full passporting, no migration, no ECJ.

We could very well get a Canada deal eventually, but it'll still be inferior to what we have now. Or we can go full WTO and hope something works itself out.

It's good to see you have inside information; pray tell how?

Neither you nor anybody else can say with certainty what deal we will get.
In fact we don't even know what deal is being asked for, as you suggest.

always_sunny

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

No.
Now let's see how EU manufacturers feel about the possibility of longer-term and deeper decline if agreement cannot be reached.

What about the British manufactures? Or car will be sold elsewhere?
Half of them (or so) go to the continent.