If we vote for Brexit what happens

A_Medium_Size_Jock

gfplux wrote: »

An excellent point, except David Davis may not be leading the negotiations after the GE. He is presently auditioning for the job.
You are right. It is pathetic of Peston to talk about the ECJ as the first three things on the agenda are.
1)The rights of British and EU citizens
2) The Irish border
3) The financial settlement.

Starting in mid to late June those three things will take to September/October to pencil in. (Remember in phase one, the divorce, nothing is agreed until everything is agreed)

A great attempt at deflecting the point there.
It hasn't worked.

Because firstly no one here said David Davis would be negotiating.
So why that is relevant I don't know; he is however the Brexit Secretary and as such is quite entitled to correct Peston.

Secondly because your "first three things on the agenda" are irrelevant to what was being discussed - which that is that the UK will not allow the ECJ to have any say in UK affairs post-Brexit.

You don't seem to like it much when the UK show an upper hand regarding the EU, do you?
You had better get used to it; there will methinks be much more of that to come.
Despite EU belligerence, the UK holds a stronger position than you seem to think.

(Remember, in phase one the EU set out their "wants" regarding the divorce; the UK however remains free to tell the EU to take a hike.)

A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life

gfplux wrote: »

Sorry, I was not talking about bribing the French to come home.
If you (French) are caught between a hard place (uncertainty due to Brexit and feeling more foreign than you ever did before) and a charismatic young President in FRANCE you might begin to think FRANCE is a good place to bring up your children.

Ps, I should have added romantic to charismatic

Please no nasty sexist comments about his wife. You will be on the wrong side of history.

Bribing the French to "come home" to what?
No jobs, a stagnant economy about to be torn asunder by a new President with no political party supporting him, problems with migration, integration and deep rural decline ..............
It looks like that will have to be one heck of a bribe.
After all, why are so many French here in the UK in the first place do you think?

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

If you (French) are caught between a hard place (uncertainty due to Brexit and feeling more foreign than you ever did before) and a charismatic young President in FRANCE you might begin to think FRANCE is a good place to bring up your children.

Let's judge him (from afar) on what he achieves during his term. Rather than his personality. You appear to forget that people for the best part of a century or so. Have been immigrants from foreign lands. My grandfather left Germany during the depression and settled in the UK. Suffered terribly during the 6 years of the war. Never once had a yearning to return home.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

I suspect you are wrong about where the poster works.

That wasn't what I said. As I used the expression "Sounds like" .

You might find your time better spent reading more carefully. Than trying to respond negatively.

Ever since the fall of Franco and the opening up of the economy. Spain has struggled. If it wasn't for the building boom and growth of tourism. Then would have been in no better place than Greece. Cash in hand is no substitute for a well paid secure job.

gfplux

Those of you that enjoy a bit of Luxembourg bashing this BBC article about the Eurovision Song Contest will surprise you.

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-39899190

"It's Eurovision time again, which means it's time to take the voting very personally indeed.
Who is rejecting the UK's tunes and who is telling us we're not alone?
So, excluding the occasional contestants, our best friends are Luxembourg, which has averaged a touch under five points per contest.
Luxembourg was one of the original participants in Eurovision but has not taken part since 1993. Sadly the love was not reciprocated, with the UK giving Luxembourg only an average of 2.5 points per contest."

vivatifosi

gfplux wrote:

You make a good point tho, this thread does not have enough posters from outside the UK.
While we have mainly Brexiters and a few remainders we/you/I discuss with little insight on how the 27 think.

I suspect I will be flamed for suggesting it.

This is a UK forum, so it is natural that there are more Brits on here than other nations. However that doesn't mean we don't speak to people from the rest of the world.

Most people I speak to are bemused by Britain leaving the EU. Those with the most to say tend to be those most affected, or politicians. Those most affected are undoubtedly those who face being uprooted if there is no deal. This is why there has to be a deal.

In general, people are not that interested in politics unless...

1) they are affected by a political decision.
2) they work in politics

I fully appreciate that you are one of those who could be most affected and hope that for your sake, as well as that of my brilliant friends and colleagues from overseas, that this issue is resolved quickly and fairly as I can see the level of stress it is causing for those affected.

gfplux

Bad news in the Times today. Whatever spin you put on this it is a setback.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3234319a-38ca-11e7-8c42-97760aa22c36
"Almost half of European businesses with British suppliers are finding replacements elsewhere in the EU, according to research underlining the threat that Brexit poses to exports.

The Chartered Institute of Procurement and Supply, after surveying more than 2,000 supply chain managers, said that its findings demonstrated that the “separation from Europe is already well under way”.

Bosses are not waiting for the outcome of Article 50 talks before shielding their businesses from the potential impact of tariffs, customs procedures and regulatory hurdles."

gfplux

It's those pesky experts again.


"British workers should brace themselves for rising unemployment and falling real pay in the year ahead as the impact of a Brexit slowdown is increasingly felt in the jobs market, reports have warned.

The era of rapidly increasing employment is over, according to the forecasting group EY Item Club, which on Monday predicted the unemployment rate will rise from 4.7% now to 5.4% in 2018 and 5.8% in 2019.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/15/jobs-market-will-suffer-a-brexit-slowdown-say-ey-item-club-experts?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Facebook

At the same time, UK firms are planning to give workers a pay rise of just 1% over the next 12 months, sharply lower than the rate of inflation, which is 2.3% and expected to rise over coming months."

mayonnaise

gfplux wrote: »

"Almost half of European businesses with British suppliers are finding replacements elsewhere in the EU, according to research underlining the threat that Brexit poses to exports.

The Chartered Institute of Procurement and Supply, after surveying more than 2,000 supply chain managers, said that its findings demonstrated that the “separation from Europe is already well under way”.

Bosses are not waiting for the outcome of Article 50 talks before shielding their businesses from the potential impact of tariffs, customs procedures and regulatory hurdles."

They'll come back crawling to the negotiating table once they realise how central england is to the world economy.

cogito

gfplux wrote: »

Bad news in the Times today. Whatever spin you put on this it is a setback.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3234319a-38ca-11e7-8c42-97760aa22c36
"Almost half of European businesses with British suppliers are finding replacements elsewhere in the EU, according to research underlining the threat that Brexit poses to exports.

The Chartered Institute of Procurement and Supply, after surveying more than 2,000 supply chain managers, said that its findings demonstrated that the “separation from Europe is already well under way”.

Bosses are not waiting for the outcome of Article 50 talks before shielding their businesses from the potential impact of tariffs, customs procedures and regulatory hurdles."

I suspect you'll find that businesses in the UK are making exactly the same preparations. Remind me. Who buys more from whom?