If we vote for Brexit what happens

kabayiri

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

The evidence to date is to the contrary in that it very strongly appears to be the EU that don't want peace.

(That is, senior EU politicos desperately trying to hold the fabric of the "union" together. )

It could be brinkmanship at the moment.

I am convinced that people like Barnier and Juncker have strengthened PM May's hand in the upcoming GE.

Stoking up resentment directed towards a bigger opponent has worked pretty well for the SNP over the last few decades! It's a tactic which works.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Ah yes - where Ford was given £450m of EU funding to develop production in the UK and £150m of funding to develop production in Turkey - so it invested in the UK by three times as much as the small amount of production it moved.

But never let the facts get in the way of a good anti-EU rant eh Conrad.





All Brits are living in it just now.

And yes - it is pretty amazing - we have low unemployment, high growth, tariff and barrier free trading within the largest single market in the world, and the right to live and work in 27 other countries no questions asked.

Gosh - shame we're leaving all that behind....

Not being more than a little disingenuous again are we Hamish?

The EU LOAN was for R&D over five years; not a new factory - unlike the new factory in Turkey and the closure here in the UK of Ford's Southampton factory.
http://www.eib.org/infocentre/press/releases/all/2010/2010-121-european-investment-bank-provides-gbp-450-million-to-ford-for-new-generation-of-environmentally-friendly-engines-and-vehicle-technologies.htm

You must be dizzy with all your (mostly false) spin, Hamish.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

The EU LOAN was for R&D over five years; not a new factory - unlike the new factory in Turkey and the closure here in the UK of Ford's Southampton factory..

The EU LOAN in Turkey was not for a new factory either - it was to expand production at Ford-Turkey - which was already making 200,000 Transits a year at that point.

Ford UK had already all but wound up Transit production in the UK - we were making just a paltry 28K Transits a year. And Ford-UK received £450m in EU funding for development here.

So it's complete balderdash to claim Ford was given grants to move production to the EU.

Your hatred of all things EU seems to blind you to the truth.

Ford UK received three times as much funding from the EU as Ford Turkey did in those years.

LHW99

Once Britain leaves, this will become the only land border between the UK and the European Union.

While not minimising the issues over the Irish border, is there not a land border between the EU and Gibraltar, which I believe will leave alongside the UK in 2019 (or whenever?

Tromking

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Peace is at best fragile. The under current still very much exists. Out of sight isn't out of mind. Political interference could have unintended consequences.

We shouldn't underestimate the willingness of the EU and the supine Irish politicians locally to throw their people under the bus if it means protecting the EU project. With 88% of Eire citizens in favour of continued EU membership, I won't be shedding too many tears if they do. Your bed, you lie in it!
Like other countries during Cameron's now embarrassing begging tour of Brussels and Berlin, I don't recall too much pressure on Merkel, Hollande and Juncker from Ireland stating how catastrophic Brexit would be to the Irish economy if concessions weren't made.

kabayiri

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

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Ford UK received three times as much funding from the EU as Ford Turkey did in those years.

Why are the EU funding a non-EU country?

When we are out of the EU would they fund UK, or is the EU bias only towards selective states ?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

The EU LOAN in Turkey was not for a new factory either - it was to expand production at Ford-Turkey - which was already making 200,000 Transits a year at that point.

Ford UK had already all but wound up Transit production in the UK - we were making just a paltry 28K Transits a year. And Ford-UK received £450m in EU funding for development here.

So it's complete balderdash to claim Ford was given grants to move production to the EU.

Your hatred of all things EU seems to blind you to the truth.

Ford UK received three times as much funding from the EU as Ford Turkey did in those years.

I almost hate to tell you this Hamish but ............ I did not claim that Ford were given grants for a new factory.
Show me where I did?

But since you mention it:

In September 2011, Ford of Europe confirmed that Southampton would continue to make the short and medium wheelbase, and Tourneo minibus versions, of the Transit for two more years. Production of these was then to be consolidated to Turkey with the new model in 2014, while Southampton was to continue as the European centre for the chassis-cab variant of the new Transit, with production ramped up to 35,000 units a year.[4]
On 26 October 2012, Ford announced that, as part of a larger cutback of their European production capacity, the Southampton factory would close altogether in July 2013, with production for Europe of all the new Transit models shifted to Turkey

See third link below.

The Yeniköy plant started production of the Transit/Tourneo Courier in the second quarter of 2014. It is located within the Kocaeli facility, but as a different production plant, with a starting capacity of 110,000 vehicles per year

See fourth link.

SO:
Fact: Ford Southampton closed.
Fact: production moved to Ford Turkey.
Fact: New factory opened in Turkey within a year of Southampton closing.

As for "Your hatred of all things EU" - oh dear, I seem to have touched a nerve.
Again you are wrong - very wrong.
There is much about the EU that I like and/or admire.

What I do however hate is the blind devotion of acolytes such as yourself that believe the EU can do no wrong.
Since ( and *gasp* I do not suggest this as being unique to the EU ) there is so much fundamentally and intrinsically wrong with the EU.

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/10026411.Focus_on_Ford__The___80m_EU_loan_for_Ford_s_Turkish_Transit_plant/

https://rtuc.wordpress.com/2016/06/17/fords-80m-eu-loan-boosts-turkey-factory-and-southampton-closes/


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Southampton_plant


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Otosan

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Just when the EU breathed a sigh of relief that France did not vote for the anti-EU Le Pen comes news that Austria may soon be facing a snap election.
One in which the far right Freedom Party could make a return to a position of power, since they are currently seeing a resurgent popularity; these have links with Germany's AFD, Holland's PVV and the French National Front.

Austria's squabbling centrist coalition looked increasingly on the brink Friday as Foreign Minister Sebastian Kurz made clear he would pull his centre-right People's Party (ÖVP) out of the government if he becomes its new chief.
The 30-year-old rising political star is tipped to take over the ÖVP following Wednesday's shock resignation of current boss Reinhold Mitterlehner after months of internal power struggles.
If Kurz's party pulled out of the government, the snap parliamentary elections that might result could herald the return to power of the far-right Freedom Party (FPÖ), which is riding high in opinion polls.
"I think early elections are the right way," Kurz said.

https://www.thelocal.at/20170512/austria-edges-closer-to-snap-elections

BobQ

Tromking wrote: »

Like other countries during Cameron's now embarrassing begging tour of Brussels and Berlin, I don't recall too much pressure on Merkel, Hollande and Juncker from Ireland stating how catastrophic Brexit would be to the Irish economy if concessions weren't made.

Had the polls been showing that there was any risk of Brexit at that time you might have a point. But they did not.

Tromking

BobQ wrote: »

Had the polls been showing that there was any risk of Brexit at that time you might have a point. But they did not.

That said, you'd think the protestations of the leader of the EU's second biggest economy would have trumped the polls wouldn't you?
Me thinks, Merkel, Hollande and the rest enjoyed telling the desperate Cameron where to go and relied too much on the polls.
A simple case of hubris over sound political judgement perhaps?