If we vote for Brexit what happens

Conrad

gfplux wrote: »

For those who don't know why Barnier was in Ireland this will inform them.
The issue of the border and peace is very important and I would hope making fun of this would/will be off limits.
http://www.france24.com/en/20170512-new-eu-frontier-brexit-chief-tries-calm-nerves

"The EU's chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier visited the area where Black lives on Friday in a bid to reassure local residents that the European Commission was taking their concerns to heart.

Once Britain leaves, this will become the only land border between the UK and the European Union.

"We want to find solutions without reverting to some kind of hard border," Barnier said, after meeting local farmers and food industry executives in a region that is heavily reliant on exports to Britain.

Barnier also emphasised that he would "protect and preserve" the 1998 Good Friday Agreement, which largely ended the three decades of conflict in Northern Ireland in which 3,500 people were killed."

So putting on your can-do thoughtful cap, what solutions could you imagine?

I guess one approach is to run to the hills saying this is all too difficult, but other than this approach, what would you do?

Rinoa

gfplux wrote: »

"The EU's chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier visited the area where Black lives on Friday in a bid to reassure local residents that the European Commission was taking their concerns to heart.

Once Britain leaves, this will become the only land border between the UK and the European Union.

"We want to find solutions without reverting to some kind of hard border," Barnier said, after meeting local farmers and food industry executives in a region that is heavily reliant on exports to Britain.

Meanwhile back in London a man sitting in his office watches events unfold as the Irish predicament becomes increasingly important. "Yes", thinks the man to himself. "The Irish and EU are so desperate to find a solution to this difficult situation."

And a contended smile appears on the face of the UK's Brexit secretary.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

"We want to find solutions without reverting to some kind of hard border," Barnier said, after meeting local farmers and food industry executives in a region that is heavily reliant on exports to Britain.

Looks as if there's concerns about Eire's long term commitment to the EU. Didn't realise that Barnier was an elected politician...... Seems to be acting well above his remit by going out on the campaign trail.

kabayiri

gfplux wrote: »

For those who don't know why Barnier was in Ireland this will inform them.
The issue of the border and peace is very important and I would hope making fun of this would/will be off limits.
http://www.france24.com/en/20170512-new-eu-frontier-brexit-chief-tries-calm-nerves

"The EU's chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier visited the area where Black lives on Friday in a bid to reassure local residents that the European Commission was taking their concerns to heart.

Once Britain leaves, this will become the only land border between the UK and the European Union.

"We want to find solutions without reverting to some kind of hard border," Barnier said, after meeting local farmers and food industry executives in a region that is heavily reliant on exports to Britain.

Barnier also emphasised that he would "protect and preserve" the 1998 Good Friday Agreement, which largely ended the three decades of conflict in Northern Ireland in which 3,500 people were killed."

It's not within Barnier's gift to decide the outcome of this. Without the cooperation of the UK government he has nothing.

He wants something. We want something. It's called negotiation.

I expect things to get tough, but then, there's a lot at stake.

Ballard

kabayiri wrote: »

It's not within Barnier's gift to decide the outcome of this. Without the cooperation of the UK government he has nothing.

He wants something. We want something. It's called negotiation.

I expect things to get tough, but then, there's a lot at stake.

That's true. Perhaps the U.K. don't want peace. It'll be a fantastic bargaining chip for us.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Conrad wrote: »

Where were your posts about the many cases of offshoring prior to the referndum, Ford Transit factory for example?

Ah yes - where Ford was given £450m of EU funding to develop production in the UK and £150m of funding to develop production in Turkey - so it invested in the UK by three times as much as the small amount of production it moved.

But never let the facts get in the way of a good anti-EU rant eh Conrad.

It must be amazing to live in the EU,

All Brits are living in it just now.

And yes - it is pretty amazing - we have low unemployment, high growth, tariff and barrier free trading within the largest single market in the world, and the right to live and work in 27 other countries no questions asked.

Gosh - shame we're leaving all that behind....

Conrad

Auto parts factory in Creuse, France closing with loss of 280 Jobs. But, but, but being in the EU is a milk n honey experience...

Thrugelmir

Ballard wrote: »

That's true. Perhaps the U.K. don't want peace. It'll be a fantastic bargaining chip for us.

Peace is at best fragile. The under current still very much exists. Out of sight isn't out of mind. Political interference could have unintended consequences.

Conrad

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Ah yes - where Ford was given £450m of EU funding to develop production in the UK and £150m of funding to develop production in Turkey - so it invested in the UK by three times as much as the small amount of production it moved.

But never let the facts get in the way of a good anti-EU rant eh Conrad.





All Brits are living in it just now.

And yes - it is pretty amazing - we have low unemployment, high growth, tariff and barrier free trading within the largest single market in the world, and the right to live and work in 27 other countries no questions asked.

Gosh - shame we're leaving all that behind....

We're not leaving anything behind, trade volumes won't go down, but going forward we benefit from local autonomy and nimble footed global participation, as well as saving £10 bn in club fees and spending our own money as we chose more efficiently.

Only those afraid of leaving familiarity, reject the innovation and opportunities that change brings.

And guess what my Aunt travelled Europe for two years working all over the place long before we joined the Common market, let alone the EU. Magic.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Ballard wrote: »

That's true. Perhaps the U.K. don't want peace. It'll be a fantastic bargaining chip for us.

The evidence to date is to the contrary in that it very strongly appears to be the EU that don't want peace.

(That is, senior EU politicos desperately trying to hold the fabric of the "union" together. )