If we vote for Brexit what happens

A_Medium_Size_Jock

mayonnaise wrote: »

Brexit Bulletin: Changing Economic Fortunes





Back to being the sick man of Europe.
Never mind.
We took back control.
Yeah.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-10/brexit-bulletin-changing-economic-fortunes

Instead of reading USA media trying desperately to peddle their stories, come out of your bubble and read some real factual news:

Barratt Developments has hailed Britain's booming property market after securing the highest number of completions since the financial crisis and record forward sales.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-4491300/Barratt-Developments-praises-UK-s-booming-housing-market.html

The British hotel industry is set for a record 2017 owing to a substantial increase in both domestic and international visitors planning holidays in the UK.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/hotels/articles/uk-hotels-enjoy-a-post-brexit-boom/

Data shows companies growing at 70% per year, up from 50% last year and north west companies are one of the fastest growing with 77% annual average revenue growth.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/business/business-news/42-stock-exchange-inspiring-britain--13013723

Note that these are just from today.
In the past few days we see that growth is good:

News that Britain’s services sector enjoyed its fastest growth for four months in April follows surveys earlier this week signalling similar improvements for the smaller manufacturing and construction industries.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/04/uk-economy-service-sector-growth-april

Yup, that looks really sick.
Not.

setmefree2

Originally Posted by mayonnaise
Brexit Bulletin: Changing Economic Fortunes

Back to being the sick man of Europe.
Never mind.
We took back control.
Yeah.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-10/brexit-bulletin-changing-economic-fortunes

What tosh.

You've been posting rubbish for a year.

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

Is that why you need a dozen (or two) sock puppets?

gfplux

kabayiri wrote: »

Of course. This is her whole modus operandi.

At least she seems consistent. She has never really been what you might describe as open.

I don't think poker players pre-announce how they are going to play their hand in advance, and yet this seems quite an effective strategy.

The Tory manifesto will say nothing in detail, unlike Labour's which will be a work of magnificent fiction.

PM May isn't the only one who plays the "say little" game. There's quite a bit of affection in the USA for Ivanka Trump, and yet she is another one who says very little and lets others project what they want to hear on to her.

Up to now both sides have been consistent in one thing. Openness or otherwise during the negotiations.

PM May has said consistently no running commentary.

The EU have said consistently we will provide a running commentary. They have also published their negotiating paper for all to see ready for the start

Let's wait and see, not long now.

mayonnaise

setmefree2 wrote: »

What tosh.

You've been posting rubbish for a year.

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

Is that why you need a dozen (or two) sock puppets?

I do want to be prepared.

setmefree2 wrote: »

I am a realist.

I do believe there will 100% be a recession if we vote Leave.

I do want to be prepared.

gfplux

cogito wrote: »

Yes, lets have a debate about phones or any other product you like.

You're correct that you can buy Chinese phones with the same specs as Apple or Samsung for a lot less money. Problem is that the specs don't tell the whole story as there are major quality differentials which mean that the Apple and Samsung products are still working long after the cheap Chinese stuff went in the dustbin. There's an old saying that if you buy cheap you buy twice.

You say that you used to be a salesman. Funny that you don't seem to understand this.

I just don't agree with you. Perhaps a few years ago that was certainly true. Now build quality, QC on the production line and after sales service have dramatically improved.
Chinese brand phones are now sold alongside the "big" brands with similar guarantees. I don't know wether this is true in Britain but in Europe they are offered in all the major internet supplier phone shops.
That would have been the argument against a number of the secondary car brands a few years ago.

Obviously you have never been a salesman otherwise you would know your loyalty is to your brand.

gfplux

kabayiri wrote: »

This is what UK and others in the West did throughout the '90s and beyond.

It just so happens that these 'darker and non-Christian' people were located elsewhere, nothing more.

I don't remember the outcries from the dinner class elite about the loss of quality IT or call centre jobs from our shores at the time. Juncker seemed to be surprisingly sanguine about it. Perhaps they really didn't care, as long as the credit card was 0% .

Yeah, let's face it. We are all hypocrites. It's fine as long as it's not *my* job. I don't remember outsourcing too many high court judges to Poland, or marketing consultants to Taiwan.

It's just temporary anyway. Mr Aldi or Madame Iceland will be perfectly happy to have robo209 pick your fruit and veg in years to come. What will good old Juncker do? Nothing, that's what.

When I look at Cherie Blair, I'm left with the feeling they have already automated some of our legal bods!

You might be right but why drag Mr Juncker into it.

This was a management choice to keep costs down because as has been said by one poster the British want to buy cheap and don't discriminate where the product or service comes from.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

gfplux wrote: »

I just don't agree with you. Perhaps a few years ago that was certainly true. Now build quality, QC on the production line and after sales service have dramatically improved.
Chinese brand phones are now sold alongside the "big" brands with similar guarantees. I don't know wether this is true in Britain but in Europe they are offered in all the major internet supplier phone shops.
That would have been the argument against a number of the secondary car brands a few years ago.

Obviously you have never been a salesman otherwise you would know your loyalty is to your brand.

Whether you agree or not is irrelevant; it's the buyers that count and it seems that they say otherwise.
You also ignore another very pertinent fact: the operating system.

The OS on Apple phones (tablets too) is acknowledged by their many devotees as being superior to the offerings of the competition which is now almost exclusively Android.
Having one of these Android phones and being subjected to endless updates almost every day, I sometimes understand their POV.


There is much said here btw about the usefulness (or generally not) of Chinese phones and also of Samsung, being renowned for not honouring warranty claims or at best making these difficult.

Have a read through androidcentral or digital spy forums.
Enlighten yourself.

BobQ

Conrad wrote: »

Would be far worse under Labour mismanagement

Great answer, that's like saying England only wins the World Cup when Labour are in power.

gfplux

Conrad wrote: »

So we hold NO aces then;




http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/scots-fishing-leaders-reject-sturgeon-s-claims-of-sell-out-1-4441764


The Scottish Fishermen’s Fishermen today endorsed the UK Government's plans to “reassert control” over Scottish waters after a letter from UK environment secretary Andrea Leadsom pledged to end the "mutual access" arrangement which allows French and Spanish fishermen to trawl freely in Scotland's seas.

Scottish Fishermen’s Federation (SFF) chief executive Bertie Armstrong today rejected this interpretation.He said: "Any reading of this letter in full makes it clear that the UK government is committed to ensuring we exit the CFP and re-assert control of our waters."In fact, at our meeting with Ms Leadsom in March she said that we are leaving the EU and we are leaving the CFP. It is evident that the government shares the determination of the entire industry to seize this opportunity to re-generate our coastal communities."

Conrad, this is a rather long quote from today's politico Brexit email.
It suggest that taking back control of the fishing might have its own problems. Frankly the fishing issue is much too complex for me. I tend to flip flop over the issue of preservation as many do.

The quote
"Unless the Brits suddenly develop an appetite for fish, they will find themselves playing a weak hand in the talks on a post-Brexit deal on fisheries.

That will make it hard to deliver on the demands of prominent Brexiteers who see escaping the hated EU Common Fisheries Policy as a very tangible way of “taking back control” — in this case of access to vast swathes of sea around the U.K. coastline.

UKIP MEP Ray Finch, for example, authored a pamphlet called “Stolen Seas” in which he argues the Common Fisheries Policy is a “resource grab.” His colleague, MEP Mike Hookem, told the European Parliament in March that the U.K. should “withdraw from the Common Fisheries Policy and everything connected with it — and take back control of what is rightfully ours,” according to the Daily Express.

But despite Brexiteers thundering about regaining sovereignty over U.K. waters, Theresa May’s government has remained quiet on her strategy for managing fisheries post Brexit.

Scottish National Party candidate Eilidh Whiteford told the National today that the lack of a clear statement from the government about its priorities is a sign the fishing industry could become collateral damage in the Brexit talks. The British government is “planning to use Scottish waters and our fishing industry as a Brexit bargaining chip,” Whiteford said.

She may be on to something.

What it may come down to is that the EU has diet in its favor. According to a recent study, Portuguese citizens eat the most fish on the Continent with an average person downing 53.8 kilograms per year. Next on the list are Lithuanians, who eat on average 43.6 kilograms, and Spaniards, who consume 42.4 kilograms.

The Brits? 20.8 kilograms per person, below the EU average of 22.5 kilograms.

Simply put, the British fleet can catch as many fish as it wants but they won’t be able to sell it without access to the lucrative EU market. Domestic demand simply isn’t high enough.

This puts the British fisheries armada between a rock and the deep blue sea.

Unless the Brits start eating more fish, the government will likely be forced to make a deal that trades access to U.K. waters for EU vessels in exchange for access to the world’s largest fish and seafood market.

When the battle ships are back to port, a post-Brexit fishing deal may not end up looking much different from the status quo."

—Kait Bolongaro

gfplux

Someone thinks the "opportunity" will not last

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-latest-news-uk-exporters-long-term-gains-pound-sterling-windfall-gripple-a7725791.html

"With 85 percent of its customers outside Britain, Sheffield-based Gripple should be cheering the plunge in sterling since last year's vote to leave the EU, which means every overseas sale brings in more pounds than before.

British exporters are enjoying a Brexit windfall as a result of the pound's fall, which has helped push up the value of the goods they export by 15 per cent since a year ago. Some hope the boost to manufacturers will foster a rebalancing of the economy, which has long relied on domestic consumers.

But Gordon Macrae, a senior manager at Gripple, which makes metal parts used to connect and tension steel cables, does not expect the boost to last long enough to justify speeding up investment plans, despite strong demand for its products."