If we vote for Brexit what happens

gfplux

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

You do realise that this is an opinion piece?
Someone's point of view.
NOT fact.

Pong

Just like every posting in this thread.

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

How many losses before we start regarding it as significant?

A 1.5% loss down to Brexit uncertainties (if that's the case), then that's still 1.5% or 171 jobs less than otherwise. That's 171 people that need to find something else, or will be drawing benefits instead of paying tax.

I haven't heard of anyone taking on an additional 171 staff due to Brexit opportunities.

There is plenty of hiring going on and I'm hearing of new opportunities as a result of the road ahead. You will see in time that once again the glass halve full outlook is not rational.

kabayiri

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Thank you.

I do know the difference though, seemingly unlike David Cameron.

I clarified the point I was making in the last page, as I'm sure you're aware.

It wasn't just a large debt position that Labour handed over back in 2010.

The Labour period had put an additional 1 million people on the PS payroll, and that brings with it expensive salary and pension commitments. Some of these salaries were unwise to say the least.

Then there was the widescale use of PFI. Some of these deals are planned out over 25 or 30 years. When examined, the cost to cancel was actually *higher* than just running the contract through.

Sure, you can renege on contracts, but it's not the kind of thing we do here.

kabayiri

gfplux wrote: »

Pong

Just like every posting in this thread.

I'm not sure why it bothers you so much?

Surely, if you live in Luxembourg now, then that is the place you want to prosper?

You should be arguing for Luxembourg retaining the ability to retain it's lucrative tax arrangements surely?

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

There is plenty of hiring going on and I'm hearing of new opportunities as a result of the road ahead. You will see in time that once again the glass halve full outlook is not rational.

Can you name any?

Thrugelmir wrote: »

How many jobs were lost in the GFC?

I don't remember having a referendum on whether we should have the GFC or not.

How many jobs are already scheduled to be cut by the major global banks in the coming months/years?

There's the rub; we've no way of telling, but I've only referenced the ones that are cited as being related to Brexit.

Funny how people not so long ago despised bankers but now love them. Given the state of the EU banking sector. Hardy surprising that the US investment banks are ready to inflict blows to the sector. UK banks no longer rule the roost as they once did.

You can dislike how they operate and their disregard for the rules, whilst still appreciating that they are a significant chunk of the economy, and the money they pay in tax keeps things running. It's all fine and well to say "stuff the bankers" until we can't afford to keep schools open, or whatever.

always_sunny

Thrugelmir wrote: »

UK banks no longer rule the roost as they once did.

It's not just banks... a big chunk of the British economy is owned by foreigners.

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

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You can dislike how they operate and their disregard for the rules, whilst still appreciating that they are a significant chunk of the economy, and the money they pay in tax keeps things running. It's all fine and well to say "stuff the bankers" until we can't afford to keep schools open, or whatever.

They don't appreciate though, that was one of the pivotal messages coming through in the run up to the Brexit vote.

The voting patterns could not be clearer. There are complete divisions in the UK today. It's not just North/South ; London/non-London. A place like South Manchester feels miles away from parts of Burnley now; despite them being relatively local to each other.

I can't see how any politician can do something which pleases everyone; there are just different priorities.

If I was one of those London bankers I would worry about keeping low interest rates on my large mortgage; and I really wouldn't give a monkeys about people in Sunderland.

So I'm sure the reverse must be true.

mayonnaise

kabayiri wrote: »

I'm not sure why it bothers you so much?

Surely, if you live in Luxembourg now, then that is the place you want to prosper?

You should be arguing for Luxembourg retaining the ability to retain it's lucrative tax arrangements surely?

I lived and worked in many EU and non-EU countries in the past, and still remained interested, involved and bothered about what goes on in the UK.
Surprising for some, I know.

Arklight

kabayiri wrote: »

They don't appreciate though, that was one of the pivotal messages coming through in the run up to the Brexit vote.

The voting patterns could not be clearer. There are complete divisions in the UK today. It's not just North/South ; London/non-London. A place like South Manchester feels miles away from parts of Burnley now; despite them being relatively local to each other.

I can't see how any politician can do something which pleases everyone; there are just different priorities.

If I was one of those London bankers I would worry about keeping low interest rates on my large mortgage; and I really wouldn't give a monkeys about people in Sunderland.

So I'm sure the reverse must be true.

It is possible to want to do well yourself while still having a social conscience and caring about other people.


Consequently it isn't a sign of being a rampant communist to expect people who are doing well to shoulder their share of the burden. Someone has to be taxed, if we aren't going to tax people with money then who are we going to tax?


One of the things I find literally depressing about this country is the assumption that you can't expect anything better of people other than for them to act to the advantage of their own greed, and that the rich have to be given a free pass to do so because if it's suggested to them that they might possibly have a responsibility to those less well of than them, they will all leave.


Over the last few years of a Tory government, the top 1000 people in terms of wealth have seen that wealth grow by £86 billion pounds. Nurses have taken a 14% pay cut in real terms and are now in some cases having to use food banks to feed their families.


This isn't the kind of country I want to live in and I can't imagine I would feel differently if I was millionaire myself.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

gfplux wrote: »

Pong
Just like every posting in this thread.

Ping.
"Just like every other posting in this thread."

If you persist in posting propagandist and/or anti-British carp I (and others) will respond.;)