If we vote for Brexit what happens

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Conrad wrote: »

why would they ever give us a free trade deal - one cannot have benefits without being in the clubr

You still don't seem to understand the vast difference between a 'free trade' deal and full membership of the single market.

I don't think anyone has ever suggested a FTD was out of the question at some point - it's just nowhere near as good as being a member of the SM.

setmefree2

Theresa May appoints ex-EU official as top aide

Peter Hill will join the British prime minister’s team in Downing Street.

LONDON — Theresa May has appointed a former European Commission official and trade expert who worked under Peter Mandelson in Brussels as her most senior civil servant inside Number 10.


Peter Hill, who worked in Mandelson’s cabinet when he was European trade commissioner, will become May’s principal private secretary in Downing Street, having served as director of strategy at the Foreign Office since 2013, the prime minister’s official spokesman told POLITICO.

Hill replaces Simon Case, who was appointed to to the U.K.’s Permanent Representation in Brussels (UKREP) in March. Case is now director general for the U.K.-EU partnership, coordinating the Article 50 process and negotiations for a future agreement, working under Britain’s ambassador to the EU Tim Barrow. Hill is expected to officially commence in his new role shortly, the senior official said
Hill’s appointment adds a wealth of Brussels knowledge to May’s top team. He is one of the few people in the top ranks of British government with experience of trade negotiations, and his appointment will reassure critics of the government’s hard Brexit stance, who have been alarmed at the increasingly belligerent anti-Brussels rhetoric emanating from No.10 in recent days.

*Cough*

Mandelson, a Labour peer who campaigned prominently for Remain and an outspoken critic of the government’s Brexit strategy, warmly welcomed the appointment.
“Peter is an excellent choice for the prime minister,” he said. “He is clever, quick, knowledgeable and collegiate, and thoroughly loyal to whoever he works for.”

http://www.politico.eu/article/theresa-may-appoints-ex-eu-official-as-top-aide/

setmefree2

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I don't think anyone has ever suggested a FTD was out of the question at some point - it's just nowhere near as good as being a member of the SM.

In your humble opinion...

...first you don't know what a FTA with the EU will look like and second you don't know what other FTAs we will get .....

...Mystic Hamish....thinks he can see the future....like so many other Remoaners

Rinoa

gfplux wrote: »

Just a celebration of Luxembourg steel.
https://www.wort.lu/en/luxembourg/did-you-know-that-about-luxembourg-where-is-luxembourg-steel-used-around-the-world-5914063ca5e74263e13bf10d#

Looking forward to the congratulatory comments

The EU has few trade agreements with anyone important so most of these deals would be under WTO rules. Ships queuing for days in port, cargo needing to be inspected, mountains of paperwork requiring customs clearance and sky high tariffs to overcome.

And you say all this was done by little Luxembourg. Clearly fake news.

Conrad

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I don't think anyone has ever suggested a FTD was out of the question at some point - it's just nowhere near as good as being a member of the SM.

And the great revisionist U-turn begins............


Exactly as predicted - 'oh I never said a free trade deal would not be done'


No free trade without free movement you said


What happened to us having no bargaining chips, no aces?


What happened to the EU needs nothing from us?


What happened to our trade being insignificant to the EU, easily dismissible?


When are we floating off into the North Atlantic as team Remoaner promised, with the draw bridge up?




How many times did I say to you a good FTA was more than possible given Canada has one, a market worth 10 x less than ours, a nation not aligned in the way our trade already is with the EU's?


Time and again I said a good deal would likely be done, time and again your lot told me no deal was possible, and even if it was it would take a decade




We save £10bn in club fees, become full masters of our own autonomy and trade with EU will be largely unaffected + we trade globally unhindered by Brussels - MY DAY ONE ARGUMENT TO YOU

Ballard

setmefree2 wrote: »

thinks he can see the future....like so many other Remoaners

Whereas Brexiteers have never predicted that things will be better once we leave the EU?

If you're going to make idiotic statements don't expect to be taken seriously.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Conrad wrote: »

MY DAY ONE ARGUMENT TO YOU

And as wrong today as it was then.

A 'free' trade deal is not the same thing as membership of the single market.

It's nowhere near as good - and it's not even really 'free trade' in anything like the way you seem to think it is.

This has been explained to you on numerous occasions.

So there's no revision necessary.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

gfplux wrote: »

Just a celebration of Luxembourg steel.
https://www.wort.lu/en/luxembourg/did-you-know-that-about-luxembourg-where-is-luxembourg-steel-used-around-the-world-5914063ca5e74263e13bf10d#

Looking forward to the congratulatory comments

Nice one.
Here's how British steel industries are doing:

British Steel has expanded its rail operations by opening a new facility in Europe.
The firm has opened a rail logistics centre in Lecco, Italy, to be able to meet growing demand long length rail throughout the country.
The company has already delivered significant quantities of rail as the key supplier to the Italian national rail provider Rete Ferroviaria Italiana (RFI).

http://www.s!!!!horpetelegraph.co.uk/british-steel-expands-operations-in-europe/story-30240910-detail/story.html

British Steel has expanded its export contract with P&O Ferrymasters following a five-month tender process.

http://www.logisticsmanager.com/british-steel-expands-export-contract-with-po-ferrymasters/

Liberty House, the industrial and commodities group that is buying up steel assets around the world, will add 300 UK jobs at the speciality steels business it bought from Tata Steel this year.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-tata-steel-m-a-liberty-house-idUKKBN17Y0X7

Arklight

This Australian report gives a good summary of free trade deals.


They don't seem to be what Conrad says they are as tariffs aren't removed, they are just lowered. As Australia is constantly cited by Brexiteers as a model for the UK it's worthwhile reading:


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-07/free-trade-agreement-explained-bilateral-fta-tpp/5371314


Some key points:

Trade barriers typically come in the form of tariffs and trade quotas. One such example is Japan's tariff on Australian beef, which under the new deal will be cut from 38.5 per cent to 19.5 per cent over 18 years...

One of the downsides of FTAs are the ability of powerful economies to impose their will over smaller, developing economies.

Most often, this comes in the form of a smaller economy making more concessions than are beneficial in the long term, while the larger economy keeps its trade restrictions in place.

...

Agreements are notoriously difficult to negotiate, and often call for laws in two different jurisdictions to align.


But hey, it's Brexit right. Who needs facts? A free trade deal has the word free in the title, and we spend eleventy one billion a day, or a week, or a month (oh my head gets muddled because Jeremy Corbyn is a communist and the EU keep sending mind control waves over from Brussels) - so free must be much better than that...

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Arklight wrote: »

This Australian report gives a good summary of free trade deals.


They don't seem to be what Conrad says they are as tariffs aren't removed, they are just lowered. As Australia is constantly cited by Brexiteers as a model for the UK it's worthwhile reading:


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-07/free-trade-agreement-explained-bilateral-fta-tpp/5371314


Some key points:

But hey, it's Brexit right. Who needs facts? A free trade deal has the word free in the title, and we spend eleventy one billion a day, or a week, or a month (oh my head gets muddled because Jeremy Corbyn is a communist and the EU keep sending mind control waves over from Brussels) - so free must be much better than that...

Facts?


Yes please, if you want to discuss this.
Like .....................................................
What tariff do the EU put on non-EU beef then?
As the world's 5th largest economy does this mean then that we are in a strong position, able to "impose their will over smaller, developing economies."?
What, longer than the EU - who take how long for their deals?
Stew over those facts a while.