If we vote for Brexit what happens

gfplux

cogito wrote: »

I have actually. Advising clients on the suitability of a range of products from different suppliers taking account of overall quality, after sales service and price. My loyalty was to my customers - a fact which they appreciated greatly as they did not have to base a purchase on the biased position of a salesman whose first loyalty was to his own pocket, secondly to his brand and finally to his customer.

Thank you for that analysis. So you were never a salesman. Fine I have no problem with that.

gfplux

University jobs

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/10/university-of-manchester-to-axe-171-staff-amid-brexit-concerns

Britain’s largest university has set out plans to axe 171 jobs, mostly academic positions in the faculties of arts, languages, biology, medicine and business.

The University of Manchester blamed new government legislation and the prospect of Brexit as major factors threatening its future income and said it needed to “invest in our strategic priorities”.

But the University and College Union (UCU), which represents lecturers and researchers, said Manchester’s finances were in good health and that the university was making excuses in order to implement cuts.

The third paragraph suggest the Uni is using Brexit as an excuse.
Hang on. Brexit is supposed to be good. Why would anyone use a good thing as an excuse to made staff redundant.

Thrugelmir

CKhalvashi wrote: »

So what about the Conservatives who have added more to the debt in the last 7 years than all the previous governments combined, while telling us the debt is going down constantly?

Always best to understand what it is you are talking about before making points in a political sense. As a business person understanding the difference between debt and deficit should be basic knowledge as well.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

gfplux wrote: »

University jobs

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/10/university-of-manchester-to-axe-171-staff-amid-brexit-concerns

Britain’s largest university has set out plans to axe 171 jobs, mostly academic positions in the faculties of arts, languages, biology, medicine and business.

The University of Manchester blamed new government legislation and the prospect of Brexit as major factors threatening its future income and said it needed to “invest in our strategic priorities”.

But the University and College Union (UCU), which represents lecturers and researchers, said Manchester’s finances were in good health and that the university was making excuses in order to implement cuts.

The third paragraph suggest the Uni is using Brexit as an excuse.
Hang on. Brexit is supposed to be good. Why would anyone use a good thing as an excuse to made staff redundant.

Because it is the easy option when you make a b@llsup.
Brexit does come pretty far down the list TBH.

Manchester University is the UK’s largest single-site university with almost 40,000 students and more than 12,000 staff, including almost 7,000 academics and researchers.

:eek:
See that?
12,000 staff?
And you think 171 of these - under 1.5% - is somehow especially significant?
No, no job loss is good but in perspective please!

The university said that the uncertainties it faced included greater global competition, reductions in public funding, exchange rate fluctuations, a potential decline in student numbers and research income, new private providers, the new Teaching Excellence Framework, the uncertainties of Brexit and further increases in costs arising from pensions and inflation.

The best universities though will always attract students; here is a list (again, because we have been here before):
https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2016

You can set to look at the top uni's in Europe.
Outside Switzerland and the UK, look where the fist EU27 university is placed; # 33, behind 7UK and 2 Swiss.
The Manchester uni mentioned BTW is ranked #29 in that list.

Herzlos

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Are you ignoring the posts about banking a few days ago altogether then?
Besides the fact the Brexit has not yet been thrashed out, never mind happened - have these jobs actually moved?
And remind us please, how many bankers are employed in London?

How much do 9000 bankers add to the economy and how many unemployed people do we need to turn into artisinal cheese producers to recoup that loss?

You keep writing off any Brexit losses as "not that many" but I've yet to see any hint of what we're meant to be replacing them with. Sure, it's only 9,000 out of 140,000, but that's another million in annual tax take, another 9000 London properties being sold/rented out, another 28,0000 less people spending money in London (assuming average of 2 kids, presumably wife + kids would also move to EU). 18,000 less cars being bought/leased/taxed/fueled and so on.

If we were talking about 1 bank moving 2 or 3 employees I'd agree with you that it's no big deal, but we're talking about dozens of banks talking about moving thouasands of jobs a piece, with nothing of that magnitude likely to fill the void.

How many jobs do we need to give away to Europe before you go "actually, this could be a bad idea?" All 140,000 bankers? The likely 100,000 tertiary jobs? All of the car manufacturing jobs? There must be a line somewhere, right?

Yah_Boo_Sux

Herzlos wrote: »

How much do 9000 bankers add to the economy and how many unemployed people do we need to turn into artisinal cheese producers to recoup that loss?

You keep writing off any Brexit losses as "not that many" but I've yet to see any hint of what we're meant to be replacing them with. Sure, it's only 9,000 out of 140,000, but that's another million in annual tax take, another 9000 London properties being sold/rented out, another 28,0000 less people spending money in London (assuming average of 2 kids, presumably wife + kids would also move to EU). 18,000 less cars being bought/leased/taxed/fueled and so on.



If we were talking about 1 bank moving 2 or 3 employees I'd agree with you that it's no big deal, but we're talking about dozens of banks talking about moving thouasands of jobs a piece, with nothing of that magnitude likely to fill the void.

How many jobs do we need to give away to Europe before you go "actually, this could be a bad idea?" All 140,000 bankers? The likely 100,000 tertiary jobs? All of the car manufacturing jobs? There must be a line somewhere, right?

Simple question.
How many jobs have actually moved, at this moment in time?
NOT "threatened", "promised", "suggested" or"thought".
Actually moved?

Herzlos

Yah_Boo_Sux wrote: »

Simple question.
How many jobs have actually moved, at this moment in time?
NOT "threatened", "promised", "suggested" or"thought".
Actually moved?

So we shouldn't worry about the job losses until they are away? I can handle that. We're all good, Brexit is going to be a stonking success.

I can understand "threatened", but these are largely "planned" or "in progress".

Herzlos

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

And you think 171 of these - under 1.5% - is somehow especially significant?

How many losses before we start regarding it as significant?

A 1.5% loss down to Brexit uncertainties (if that's the case), then that's still 1.5% or 171 jobs less than otherwise. That's 171 people that need to find something else, or will be drawing benefits instead of paying tax.

I haven't heard of anyone taking on an additional 171 staff due to Brexit opportunities.

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

How much do 9000 bankers add to the economy and how many unemployed people do we need to turn into artisinal cheese producers to recoup that loss?

How many jobs were lost in the GFC?

How many jobs are already scheduled to be cut by the major global banks in the coming months/years?

Funny how people not so long ago despised bankers but now love them. Given the state of the EU banking sector. Hardy surprising that the US investment banks are ready to inflict blows to the sector. UK banks no longer rule the roost as they once did.

CKhalvashi

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Always best to understand what it is you are talking about before making points in a political sense. As a business person understanding the difference between debt and deficit should be basic knowledge as well.

Thank you.

I do know the difference though, seemingly unlike David Cameron.

I clarified the point I was making in the last page, as I'm sure you're aware.