If we vote for Brexit what happens

CKhalvashi

kabayiri wrote: »

Are you consistent though?

Do you ever buy a t-shirt from Next or Primark? Do you own a smartphone made by FoxConn? Do you have a modern flatscreen tv?

If any of those answers is Yes then chances are you are accepting people working a dozen+ hours a day in some factory on the other side of the world, *just* so you can get it a few quid cheaper.

People are such hypocrites. I thought the point of FoM was to treat labour and product on the same basis. Well, even the high principalled EU allows sweatshop product from Turkey to enter our markets freely. So why not do it here.

I really don't understand why people can be selectively free market, and selectively interventionist.

In fairness, I buy a lot of clothes from charity shops, and recycle my wardrobe every year or so.

It's easy to get designer suits etc for not a lot of money, and everything I buy goes to help charity twice with this system.

Today, I'm wearing designer jeans/shirt from one of the charity shops I mentioned above, with a Next hooded zip top fleece thing I bought a few years ago; professional enough for what I need to do today, yet comfortable and right for the weather. No known exploitation here.

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

I like to feel safe.

I voted Remain but please square this circle - how does anyone feel safe when there are a million extra people coming to the UK every 3 years? And that figure is rising each year rapidly?

How do people feel safe when house prices are rising at 10% plus pa and their children are being prices out of the housing market?

How do you feel safe when your kids can't get into the school of your choice?

How do you feel safe when you travel around the country and realize that there are 1000s living in open country side in makeshift tents?

How do you feel safe when your PM begs the Chancellor of Germany for concessions and gets none?

I don't think staying in the EU makes people feel safe.

CKhalvashi

wotsthat wrote: »

I don't think it unreasonable for May to now disclose a bit more detail about what 'managed migration' means.

Someone else who voted for Brexit has suggested they did so in the hope expensive EU workers would be repatriated and replaced by cheaper (and more likely darker and non-Christian) third country workers on short term work visas.

That view of managed migration will be very different to what most people expected when voting Brexit but, then again, you all seem to have absolute trust Mrs May is working to deliver your version of Brexit. Anyway, I hope it's a nice surprise for you when you find out in March 2019.

I have to agree with this.

Unless we go for more automation, I don't see how we can keep the economy steamrolling (something we've been promised) as well as managing migration and getting the figure below 100000 (something that's been promised).

As a company, I run everything as efficiently as possible, however we do rely on labour for expansion, as while we're overall more of a media company which does rely on automation (a lot), we're also in need of people to drive people to where they need to be, set up equipment and put it all back away, before repeating that 24 hours after starting.

Yes, whilst being roughly like picking up punters from Stansted (as I was accused of the other week), there's much more to what I do than that.

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

It is clear from the polls the public will fall for it

May has proposed "clean" Brexit and seems to have the backing of both Leavers and Remainers (since there is no surge in support for the Lib Dems) - perhaps this is because during the referendum debate Remainers argued that being Norway is the worst of all worlds.

If we're going to Leave - we might as well do it properly - nobody is hoodwinking anyone.

CKhalvashi

setmefree2 wrote: »

May has proposed "clean" Brexit and seems to have the backing of both Leavers and Remainers (since there is no surge in support for the Lib Dems) - perhaps this is because during the referendum debate Remainers argued that being Norway is the worst of all worlds.

If we're going to Leave - we might as well do it properly - nobody is hoodwinking anyone.

I feel that it's the second best option, as I said at the time, and have said since.

Now we are where we are, it's the best option we have.

If we're going to leave, we'd may as well do it in a sensible, controlled manner that's going to not affect business that were built on the back of the law as it is now so much, whilst giving the winners in the matter their full access to the outside world, outside the customs union.

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

Don't you worry about the consequences of the issues I've raised? Head in hands at working class tories! what chance for change in this country when people who have relatively little choose to vote for politicians who are screwing them!

The only politicians screwing anyone are Labour politicians who just love getting our country into debt- the working classes - thankfully - have more sense than that.

Conrad

UK retail sales enjoy biggest jump since 2006
https://www.ft.com/content/99868c72-808d-3399-bdd6-df83b4344fe2

The British Retail Consortium-KPMG retail sales monitor rose 5.6 per cent in April from a year earlier, up from a 1 per cent decline in March and well ahead of expectations for a 0.5 per cent gain.This was the strongest result since April 2006.

Conrad

FTSE 250 Index of smaller companies with more UK business as a proportion is now up by one third since June 27th 2016, whilst the large companies in the FTSE 100 with more exposure to foreign currency earnings are up by 23%.

CKhalvashi

setmefree2 wrote: »

The only politicians screwing anyone are Labour politicians who just love getting our country into debt- the working classes - thankfully - have more sense than that.

So what about the Conservatives who have added more to the debt in the last 7 years than all the previous governments combined, while telling us the debt is going down constantly?

Conrad

CKhalvashi wrote: »

As a company, I run everything as efficiently as possible, however we do rely on labour for expansion,

British business used to do on the job training - many of my mates left school and did this.


The lazy option is importing cheap labour and it's a key reason productivity is low.


How does Japan with a strict immigration system manage to be the second richest nation on Earth? I know it saw the lost decades (due to Japanese people being addicted to saving not spending) but none the less it remained a very prosperous nation


Why is it you feel you cant think about new ways of prospering, there's a lot of talent in UK, pay a bit more, train people and prosper together


1.5 million unemployed - loads on benefits that could work