If we vote for Brexit what happens

gfplux

kabayiri wrote: »

I've seen a marked change in the brand of cars bought in Canada over the last decade+.

There are a lot more SUVs from the East. Nobody looks down on a brand like Kia now.

My sister's fully specced Kia was $24,000 cheaper than the Volvo alternative.

I think it's purely a matter of time before we see cheap cars from China being sold here. That's really what should worry the European car makers.

Very interesting. However don't underestimate the value of branding.
In my other life I was a salesman and have some understanding of the subject.
Just look at mobile phones. OK this is a much more fast moving fashion product than cars but.
Apple and Samsung are the market leaders in Britain. They sell phones for £600/£800. Their are many Chinese phones available with the same specs and half the price. However Apple is the brand that many young and not so young people desire to own and stretch their budgets to do so.
Please let us not have a debate on phones.
I just was trying to illustrate that fashion trumps logic in many cases.

Conrad

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

But it absolutely is a collective when it comes to preserving the integrity of the single market -

Huge numbers of for example Spaniards involved in exporting to the UK food sector only care about their jobs, their incomes, their ability to put food on the table.

'My job / business and life today sacrificed for the potential of possibly making the EU more cohesive in the future'?


Why the media frenzy when just a few thousand TATA Steel jobs were at risk? Now imagine that applied to up to 5 million Europeans involved in UK trade all threatened by barriers dreamt up by a Brussels elite

gfplux

kabayiri wrote: »

It's more about the 10% levy on Korean cars. I don't know what Mr Juncker drives

His official car I believe is a BMW 7 series with driver. (Shock horror) Mrs May I see has a Jaguar with driver.

kabayiri

Arklight wrote: »

Great, can we have the bare minimum then please?
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Lock the 2 negotiating teams in a room for a week with just brioche, brie and perrier, and tell them not to come out without a deal.

Deadlines rule.

gfplux

Conrad wrote: »

In the final analysis I just don't see nations such as France with all sorts of economic woes and high unemployment voting to harm thier trade and people, on top of losing our billions in contribution fees.

Everytime a Remainers speaks of the British being punished, what they should be saying is both us and France or Spain et al being punished with less trade.

As to them finding new markets, we've been over this so many times. If it was that easy Hollande would have already done it and thus avoid all the economic woes his nation endured. Spain's, Italy and others the same.

I am not sure remainders mention being punished by the EU. I have got the impression that this is more often mentioned in posts by Brexiters.

wotsthat

kabayiri wrote: »

I don't think poker players pre-announce how they are going to play their hand in advance, and yet this seems quite an effective strategy.

The Tory manifesto will say nothing in detail, unlike Labour's which will be a work of magnificent fiction.

The card analogy is overdone.

Mrs May isn't a poker player. She's PM - she works for you and I - not the other way around.

I don't expect her to pre-announce how she'll 'play her hand' but it's really not too much to expect her to tell us what she's trying to achieve. Of course she clearly shouldn't publish the minimum she'd accept.

Once negotiations have started I rather hope the public will be kept up to date with what's been discussed. Not a running commentary but maybe a weekly briefing.

Disappointingly I think you're right about the manifesto. Vague, woolly and easy to argue every outcome into success. Not bothered about what Labour say as their manifesto will be obsolete come June 9th.

kabayiri

wotsthat wrote: »

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Disappointingly I think you're right about the manifesto. Vague, woolly and easy to argue every outcome into success. Not bothered about what Labour say as their manifesto will be obsolete come June 9th.

We have created this situation though.

We get offered politics like a consumer product, and we lap it up.

Everybody is sold the idea that there is a right this / wrong that. Tune in to the chat radio stations and there will be a partisan presenter selling the message you want to hear.

Life; economy; EU -- they are all more complex than this I suspect.

The EU has been great for some people, and absolutely pants for others. How could we expect a simple digestible manifesto to cater for all?

Labour try to do it by claiming that spending money is the answer to everything. I'm sure you could indeed buy everyone's vote...20 minutes before you go broke.

Conrad

gfplux wrote: »

I am not sure remainders mention being punished by the EU. I have got the impression that this is more often mentioned in posts by Brexiters.

Ok.................

Conrad

wotsthat wrote: »

I don't expect her to pre-announce how she'll 'play her hand' but it's really not too much to expect her to tell us what she's trying to achieve.

Give me some examples of what aims you'd like her to state now other than she wants the best possible on-going relationship in trade, security cooperation, fair treatment of Europeans in the UK and so on?

wotsthat

Conrad wrote: »

Give me some examples of what aims you'd like her to state now other than she wants the best possible on-going relationship in trade, security cooperation, fair treatment of Europeans in the UK and so on?

What's the big secret here?

Presumably you hope the government's aims are in line with your expectations. What if they're not - happy to wait until March 2019 to find out?