If we vote for Brexit what happens

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

kabayiri wrote: »

There is no "they".

This isn't a collective when it comes to jobs and trade.

But it absolutely is a collective when it comes to preserving the integrity of the single market - which is responsible for more jobs and trade in every member country than their exports to the UK.

If forced to choose - trade with the UK or the Single Market being jeopardised - the UK will lose every time.

The EU will act as one.

mrginge

kabayiri wrote: »

There is no "they".

This isn't a collective when it comes to jobs and trade. The Spanish food producers won't give a monkeys about the Polish construction labourers. Why should they?

I'd be interested to know why you think Ireland would avoid a downturn similar to the 1930s event, if trade were to break down.

Ah but there is a collective.
So in the event of no deal, all the individual countries that stand to lose out - Ireland being probably the most at risk, will be able to trot off to Brussels and have the others subsidise their trading deficits.

And the other countries will be happy to do this because they are all on the same page. They all stand together. Those Hungarians will not stand by and let Ireland struggle. Just like the Germans did with Greece.

That's true isn't it?????

kabayiri

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

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The EU will act as one.

We shall see if it becomes dirty.

At this point, nobody really knows. We are in uncharted territory.

kabayiri

mrginge wrote: »

Ah but there is a collective.
So in the event of no deal, all the individual countries that stand to lose out - Ireland being probably the most at risk, will be able to trot off to Brussels and have the others subsidise their trading deficits.

And the other countries will be happy to do this because they are all on the same page. They all stand together. Those Hungarians will not stand by and let Ireland struggle. Just like the Germans did with Greece.

That's true isn't it?????

This is a possibility, because it betrays the true nature of the EU; which is a protectionist club.

It's nothing to do with high minded ideals.

I have no doubt that if it were Merkel and not Cameron, who last year went for reforms, then the deal offered to her would be much sweeter. This is because the club is not only protectionist, it is stacked towards those with economic power.

Private_Church

Tromking wrote: »

Yep, it is that simple.
Keep rationing the money the NHS gets, that'll sort it.

So under the last Labour Govt when I sat in with my wife when she had a C section for the birth of our son and I sat in with her and before I went into the theatre I was told to put on a gown and white boots only to find the boots were splattered in someone else's blood that was down to lack of funding?. Just to clarify This was before I went into theatre. Or the spiders webs in the. Birthing siute that had been there so long there was dust hanging off them... Sorry but it's rubbish to assume hat throwing money at the NHS somehow makes it fit for purpose. Less chat more work would help to address some of th issues within the NHS.. Certainly wouldn't get away with it in the Private Sector . We all need/want the NHS to succeed but it can't all the time there is so much ingrained waste.

Arklight

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

But it absolutely is a collective when it comes to preserving the integrity of the single market - which is responsible for more jobs and trade in every member country than their exports to the UK.

If forced to choose - trade with the UK or the Single Market being jeopardised - the UK will lose every time.

The EU will act as one.

Leavers like to predict the EU will act as a bloc when it suits them and not when it doesn't. On the one hand Leave thinks that the EU hegemon steam rollers national interests and the only way to escape is to leave. On the other it confidently predicts that the interests of Spanish tomato growers, Polish lid manufacturers and French turnip processors will overturn the European Commission and the European Parliament, and the stated wish of most European people for the EU to survive, and provide the Brexit of Conrad's Dreams (replete with unicorns and a chocolate soda fountain on every union jack waving street corner).


The continued failre of the British government to announce a negotiating position under the ostensible reason that they are playing a close hand rings ever more hollow. There isn't any news because there isn't anything to say.


The EU aren't backing down, France has just voted for a pro European president and Germany in all likelihood is going to return Angela Merkel to power, leaving Theresa May blinking across the table and shouting strong and stable leadership to the Daily Mail while we count down to crashing out of the single market with no deal at all.

kabayiri

Arklight wrote: »

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The continued failre of the British government to announce a negotiating position under the ostensible reason that they are playing a close hand rings ever more hollow. There isn't any news because there isn't anything to say.
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They don't need to tell you or I anything beyond the bare minimum.

That's what I would do.

wotsthat

I don't think the government really have a negotiating position. Maybe the Conservative manifesto, when it eventually gets published, will illuminate us.

What I do expect after the Tory win in the GE is for Mrs May to say again and again she won't be giving a running commentary.

kabayiri

wotsthat wrote: »

I don't think the government really have a negotiating position. Maybe the Conservative manifesto, when it eventually gets published, will illuminate us.

What I do expect after the Tory win in the GE is for Mrs May to say again and again she won't be giving a running commentary.

Of course. This is her whole modus operandi.

At least she seems consistent. She has never really been what you might describe as open.

I don't think poker players pre-announce how they are going to play their hand in advance, and yet this seems quite an effective strategy.

The Tory manifesto will say nothing in detail, unlike Labour's which will be a work of magnificent fiction.

PM May isn't the only one who plays the "say little" game. There's quite a bit of affection in the USA for Ivanka Trump, and yet she is another one who says very little and lets others project what they want to hear on to her.

Arklight

kabayiri wrote: »

They don't need to tell you or I anything beyond the bare minimum.

That's what I would do.

Great, can we have the bare minimum then please?


So far it's all "Brexit means Brexit," and "Strong and Stable Leadership."


This doesn't mean anything and we are meant to go to the polls next month to give May a resounding Brexit mandate with no indication whatsoever what she wants to use it for.