If we vote for Brexit what happens

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

HOLLAND FEARS


The Netherlands should push for the European Union to keep strong trade ties with Britain after the British quit the EU, a report commissioned by the Dutch parliament said on Tuesday.


Britain is the Netherlands' second-largest trading partner, accounting for 9 percent of exports, according to the paper by two members of the Dutch parliament.


"Any restriction on free trade with Britain would inevitably be at the cost of Dutch exports, prosperity and employment," it said.


For the Netherlands, allowing Britain to crash out of the EU with no agreement in place would be "very undesirable" because of trade tariffs that would "without doubt damage the Dutch economy," the report said.


http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-netherlands-idUKKBN16S17A?il=0

Great, now you've just got to get the other 26 countries on board.

As I keep saying, I don't disagree with you that a bad deal with hurt a lot of small parts of the EU, but I don't think that's enough to cause the EU to cave. The Brexit deal is pretty much dependent on the UK - the EU has already given them all of the options available.

setmefree2

Conrad wrote: »

Lord Mervyn King, a former governor of the Bank of England, thinks the latest fall in sterling is a good thing and he is right.

You'd think Dithering Dad and his many many sock puppets would have gotten bored of trying to predict doom and gloom by now.....apparently not....

WengerIn

Herzlos wrote: »

Great, now you've just got to get the other 26 countries on board.

As I keep saying, I don't disagree with you that a bad deal with hurt a lot of small parts of the EU, but I don't think that's enough to cause the EU to cave. The Brexit deal is pretty much dependent on the UK - the EU has already given them all of the options available.

As long as the British agree to pay their dues the whole thing can go through on QMV which AIUI means representatives of 70% of the EU population and 67% of the countries.

We should game the whole thing through but so far I can only see two definite No votes representing 80 million people/15% of EU population (Spain and Poland).

setmefree2

Theresa May accuses EU of trying to affect UK election

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39787353

Theresa May has accused European politicians of making "threats" against Britain to try to influence the general election result.The PM launched a stinging attack on the "bureaucrats of Brussels" in a speech outside 10 Downing Street after meeting the Queen.
She said some in Brussels wanted Brexit talks to fail and that the European press had "misrepresented" the UK's negotiating stance.

TBH I think the EU "threats" will just make Brits vote Tory.....

Herzlos

setmefree2 wrote: »

TBH I think the EU "threats" will just make Brits vote Tory.....

Indeed. So it'd be a great announcement for the Tory PM to make.

kabayiri

May is painting Corbyn in to a corner IMO.

It's easy for people to misinterpret his mild manner for a lack of interest or lack of fight even.

I'm sure the Tories will go on ad nausea as to how Labour will at best bodge together a coallition of chaos which will just collapse in front of EU opposition.

EU exit could prove expensive. A Labour government could prove disastrous. I'm not sure even 2008/09 felt this volatile.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

WengerIn wrote: »

Okay, so you want to move on from the car crash that was Jock's post. I can understand that.

I thought that the reason the 'white working class' voted Brexit was to improve their economic lot rather than to improve the lot of owners of exporting companies. Maybe the tiny number of British workers that work for goods exporting firms will get a pay rise to reflect the improved fortunes of the companies they work for. At least that way their real (inflation adjusted) wages might stop falling.

You do like that terminology don't you; "car crash".
One day you may use it correctly - but that day is not today.

Are your powers of comprehension really so poor?

Kantar said that although prices are likely to continue to rise as a result of inflation, the current like-for-like grocery inflation rate is still below the average level experienced by shoppers between 2010 and 2014.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/grocery-sales-three-year-high-uk-consumer-demand-robut-supermarkets-retail-a7714741.html

Were you talking "car crash" then too?
Show us?

Also from that link:

Separate data published by Nielsen on Wednesday showed that the value of British supermarket sales rose 8.6 per cent in the four weeks ending 22 April, while the volume of goods sold increased by 3.2 per cent.

And:

For the first time in three and a half years, all 10 of the country’s major retailers are in growth

Yep, one heck of a car crash that is.

By all means continue in your negative vein but at least apply a little intelligence to you arguments, because so far you appear to be no more than a doom-monger basing your POV upon zero evidence.


As I say in an earlier post:

Those determined to dee Brexit as nothing more than a disaster will do just what they always do, in this thread/forum certainly:
Ignore it.

They can only read negativity.

Conrad

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I thought that the reason the 'white working class' voted Brexit was to improve their economic lot rather than to improve the lot of owners of exporting companies. Maybe the tiny number of British workers that work for goods exporting firms will get a pay rise to reflect the improved fortunes of the companies they work for. At least that way their real (inflation adjusted) wages might stop falling.


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Do you think we are more likely to create good jobs through a consumer lead imports based economy fuelled by debt or by us earning hard currency through exports and also our consumers home sourcing?


Which is more sustainable long term?

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

Great, now you've just got to get the other 26 countries on board.

As I keep saying, I don't disagree with you that a bad deal with hurt a lot of small parts of the EU, but I don't think that's enough to cause the EU to cave. The Brexit deal is pretty much dependent on the UK - the EU has already given them all of the options available.

5 million citizens work in trade with the UK, many of these concentrated in the core nations.


If what you say is correct, why such a media fuss for months when only a few thousand Port Talbot jobs were at risk?


You're telling me millions of EU workers having their sales hampered (many trade largely or only with the UK) wont have a massive political impact?

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

5 million citizens work in trade with the UK, many of these concentrated in the core nations.


If what you say is correct, why such a media fuss for months when only a few thousand Port Talbot jobs were at risk?


You're telling me millions of EU workers having their sales hampered (many trade largely or only with the UK) wont have a massive political impact?

You keep saying that part of the reason that you want out of the EU is that it's run from a throne ignoring the masses, but think that 5m people out of about 700m are able to influence it? How does that work?

Either the voice of <1% of the population is listened to, or it isn't.

If Brexit causes job losses in the EU, then it's going to be a tragedy and result in lots of press coverage (on both sides), but the blame there lies squarely with Cameron (for putting us in this mess) and May (for mismanaging it) and not with the EU (who are happy for us to keep trading as is, if we stick to the same rules as everyone else).