If we vote for Brexit what happens

Thrugelmir

posh*spice wrote: »

I wonder how this is playing out in France....

Macron is a chum of Barnier. There is a political elite at the core of the EU. Same old story of how power changes people. Often for the worse.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

My understanding is that "Brussels" and Britain in general would loose too much face if the process was halted.

So election results count for nothing........ dark days lie ahead if that's the view.

Fella

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I'm not sure what your point is.
Initial negotiations were apparently moving well under Cameron, but a much different stance now May is leading the UK into Brexit.

You're comparing apples with oranges.

Cameron's negotiations were all pre-referendum when he & the EU hoped & believed the UK would vote to remain. May's negotiations are all subsequent to the vote when we'd voted to leave.

Shaka_Zulu

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I'm not sure what your point is.
Initial negotiations were apparently moving well under Cameron, but a much different stance now May is leading the UK into Brexit.

You really do not have a grip on timelines do you?

gfplux

This story is only about very expensive property. However is this the spring shoots of a slowdown in the property market that so many Brexiters were hoping for.
Certainly affordable housing might be a positive effect. I would prefer Britain built more houses but making property more difficult to sell is one way to bring down prices to more affordable levels.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/03/buy-a-home-get-a-car-free-offers-galore-as-london-estate-agents-struggle-to-sell

"London estate agents have begun to offer free cars worth £18,000, stamp duty subsidies of £150,000, plus free iPads and Sonos sound systems to kickstart sales in the capital’s increasingly moribund property market. The once super-hot central London market has turned into a “burnt-out core” according to buying agents Garrington Property Finders, prompting developers to offer ever greater incentives to lure buyers."

mrginge

Thank god lord haw haw is here to continually remind us how awful Britain is.

Enterprise_1701C

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I'm not sure what your point is.
Initial negotiations were apparently moving well under Cameron, but a much different stance now May is leading the UK into Brexit.

Negotiations haven't even started yet.

Maybe you are thinking of when Cameron went to them to try to persuade them to allow us a bit of leeway. If they had given more to him then we may not even be having this conversation.

As it is it will be a few weeks until negotiations start.

They still don't believe we are willing to walk away, if they carry on with their current stance then this is likely to be the best option.

gfplux

Nothing to do with Brexit although they mention it. I suppose it was Just bad management.
http://www.newsguardian.co.uk/news/over-100-jobs-lost-as-north-shields-business-closes-its-doors-1-8524198

"Fuda International Trading Company Ltd, also known as Hobart Rose, has ceased trading following challenging trading conditions, reduction in sales and the pressures of Brexit. The soft furnishings company – which has produced products for the likes of Dunelm, John Lewis and Next – closed its doors for the final time on Tuesday, with the entire 122 workforce losing their jobs.

Read more at: http://www.newsguardian.co.uk/news/over-100-jobs-lost-as-north-shields-business-closes-its-doors-1-8524198

undetterred

mrginge wrote: »

Thank god lord haw haw is here to continually remind us how awful Britain is.

Everyday same old drivel from him, i now know how Bill Murray felt:)

Wenlock

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Negotiations haven't even started yet.

They still don't believe we are willing to walk away, if they carry on with their current stance then this is likely to be the best option.

It seems to me that EU leaders are obsessed with having control. They are okay with us "leaving" but not with us being a fully independent country.

They want the rights of EU citizens in the UK to be controlled by the ECJ permanently. They want to restrict the options for the UK to undercut CT rates etc. No doubt any "free trade" agreement will result in a large annual payment to the EU despite the huge trade deficit.

I would rather take a one-off hit by going out with no deal. The tariff and non- tariff barriers will inevitably reduce our exports to the EU substantially. But the tariffs will apply in both directions. For example tariffs of perhaps 20-40% on meat and dairy products will reduce the trade in both directions to a trickle. What is the problem? We just consume all the UK produced meat in the UK. If we have a shortfall, increase production if possible or import a small amount to meet our requirements.

Within 2 - 5 years I would expect to see imports of most products from the EU reduced by 75% or more, with the difference made up of a mix of UK products and those imported from the rest of the World once some bilateral trade agreements are in place.

I note that Honda are planning to export a much smaller percentage of the latest version of the UK built Civic to the EU. A majority will now be sold in the UK, USA and South Africa. That will be the future - particularly if more of the supply chain can be located in the UK.