If we vote for Brexit what happens

fewgroats

You set them up, we'll knock them down.

I note Whirlpool are vacating a French plant and moving to Poland. Imagine what Remainers would be saying if this were a British plant

That they're abandoning the country due to a far right woman?

setmefree2

Europe could fall if Britain refuses to pay Brexit bill

The future of the EU could be in jeopardy if the British government refuses to pay the gigantic bill expected to be the cost of Brexit.
The government is expected to face a bill of about 100 billion euros (£85 billion) to quit the bloc, but senior members of the government have argued that Britain should refuse to pay up.

And Michael Barnier, the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator, has admitted ‘explosive’ problems could arise as a result of Britain not paying the bill.
He said: ‘Imagine what would happen if this were not to take place.
‘We have to be rigorous in our approach to clearing these accounts. Otherwise the situation might be explosive if we have to stop programmes. Can you imagine the political problems which might arise?’

http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/04/europe-could-fall-if-britain-refuses-to-pay-brexit-bill-6615233/

setmefree2

The European Commission wants to engineer a no-Brexit-deal crisis, but it will only harm itself

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/03/european-commission-wants-engineer-no-brexit-deal-crisis-will/

setmefree2

UK construction growth surprises, hitting four-month high - PMI

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-uk-economy-pmi-idUKKBN17Z0R2

setmefree2

The Sun

Europe must stop trying to mug us with a hefty divorce bill or we’ll just walk

There is no provision for an exit charge in Article 50; Brussels is making it up as it goes along

When her unmannerly guests Jean-Claude Juncker, Martin Selmayr et al rose from the table and made for the front door, she should have had the Downing Street security team block their way and inform them they were not at liberty to leave until they had paid for their dinner.

Then they would have known what it is like to be on the receiving end of an attempted mugging such as they are trying to execute against the British taxpayer.
Brexit bill? What? There is no provision for an exit charge in Article 50; Brussels is making it up as it goes along.
So, that will be £52billion, please — or 100billion euros according to the latest preposterous figures suggested — for the right to depart. It is the accounting and morality of a Soho clip joint.

The pretext, according to Brussels’ creative accountancy, is the EU sets its budget in a seven-year cycle, so Britain must pay seven years’ contributions even if not a member for some of those years.
The current cycle runs from 2014 to 2020, so assuming Britain departs, as envisaged under Article 50, on March 27, 2019, how do Jean-Claude Fagin and his artful dodgers estimate a £52billion charge from then until the following year?
Now they are inventing a further charge related to controlling immigrant influx via Turkey.
If Britain shows the slightest sign of taking any of the European Commission’s bovine excreta seriously, Brussels will be emboldened to become more creative and mug us for contributions to, say, a putative EU space programme in the 2040s.

In our 44 years in the EEC/EU we have squandered more than half a trillion pounds on the Brussels wastrels, we have been a net contributor every year bar one. We owe these wide boys nothing.
They are threatening to sue us if we do not pay. Now, that might be a tad embarrassing for the Brussels hoods, since they would have to submit the EU accounts.

But Angela Merkel needs to face reality. She is not, on this occasion, slapping down some improvident Greeks.
She is insulting and alienating the United Kingdom, the second strongest European economy after her own and a nuclear power, with a permanent seat at the UN Security Council.
If Theresa May wants to denounce Germany’s anti-British posture she has a phrase ready for adaptation: The Nasty Nation. If Merkel has not restored order in the EU nursery by September 30, we should just walk away.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3475445/europe-must-stop-trying-to-mug-us-with-a-hefty-divorce-bill-or-well-just-walk/

setmefree2

by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard for The Telegraph:

The timing of the EU’s bombing raid on Downing Street has caught London by surprise. Germany has hardened its position markedly since the Tories called the snap-election. All signs are that Chancellor Angela Merkel has given a green light to those in Brussels and Paris who want to hold Britain’s feet to the fire.
This comes despite a string of relatively conciliatory gestures by Theresa May: her defence of Nato and the EU cause in Washington; her unbroken support for the UK’s security and global commitments; her Lancaster House speech calling for intimate ties with Europe, whilst respecting the integrity of the EU’s four freedoms by leaving the single market.
None of this has made any difference. Anti-British rage has exploded in EU governing circles. After the Phoney War, the logic of Article 50 is at last hitting home.
For whatever reason, the German finance ministry and Kanzleramt have chosen to interpret Britain’s snap-election as a hostile act, rather than an attempt by Mrs May to limit the influence of Brexit ultras in her own party and to smooth the way for a softer deal.
Berlin and Brussels are irritated, and have let their irritation show. They had expected to deal with a fragile UK government over the next two years, one without a clear mandate for its Brexit strategy, and vulnerable on multiple pressure points. None of this is so clear any longer.
What we now face is diplomatic war and a very dangerous situation. At the end of the day, it is Germany that is setting policy, and Germany has demonstrated in its handling of Europe’s monetary union that it is apt to see events through a self-serving moral prism - without doubting its own righteousness - and is capable of catastrophically bad economic and political judgment.
Whether the fall-out from the Brexit Dinner has poisoned relations irretrievably remains to be seen. Trust has for now been shattered. Ultra-hard Brexiteers who always argued that it was futile to negotiate any deal with the EU’s Caesaropapist machinery are gaining more credibility by the day.
It is now imperative to draw up a ‘Plan B’ that limits the need for negotiations. I floated one possibility last week (to the horror of many readers): the revolutionary option of unilateral free trade, modulated by a free exchange rate that would cause extreme discomfort to the European Central Bank. We would never again have to admit Mr Juncker into the hallowed halls of a British institution.
We should unilaterally announce total protection of all EU citizens living legitimately in the UK, regardless of what the EU does. We should unilaterally declare an open Irish border and total working rights and privileges for all Irish wishing to work in the UK, regulating back-door inflows of future EU migrants by other means.
We should refer the divorce claims to the international court of treaties in The Hague. If the EU wishes to thwart any of these actions - which would not be easy - let it explain the moral basis of its decisions.
What Britain must not do is to limp along responding sheepishly to orders issued by Brussels. Above all it must not go down the suicidal route of trying to bluff the EU. The UK must act.

Herzlos

You lost me at this part of the Sun article:

she should have had the Downing Street security team block their way and inform them they were not at liberty to leave until they had paid for their dinner.

I doubt even the most rabit Brexiteer on here could argue they were the same thing with a straight face.


Has May made any conciliatory gestures? She's allowed her ministers to threaten war, said she'll be "bloody difficult", than no deal is better than a bad deal, threatened to withhold intelligence services and so on. I don't think I've seen any mention of her trying to negotiate on a friendly basis with EU27 rather than making threats and trying to play hard-ball.

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

Did any of them cite being part of the EU are part of the reason they close/move? Because all of the examples posted point the blame squarely at Brexit, and no-one is posting companies that just happen to go under after June 2016.

The media went to town several times before last June over UK chocolate / sweet factories moving abroad.


Now when it happens you guys blame Brexit.


Don't you see this is pretty flimsy?


Sure we will see a minority of firms move but as we always say this will be offset by the great opportunities ahead. It all comes back to a bit of grit and spirit, there's zero need to be afraid of change. Change = innovation.

Conrad

setmefree2 wrote: »

I've thought this would be the most likely outcome.....we should all be looking to the WTO to make sure all our ducks are in a row there - forget the EU.

The greatest ignorance of all is around the subject of WTO. Modern WTO is very advanced and well organised. Most of the documentation is done well in advance and managed by huge numbers of companies big and small across the globe.


97% of WTO goods at Felixstowe come straight into Britain, no delays, none of the Project Fear nonsense about goods stuck in warehouses. I have no issues using my American Credit Cards or buying American software business services or downloads or American / Japanese software synths.


Personally I say we just walk and adapt - it would not be in for example Spain or Hollands interest to then see their huge UK exports collapse. Everyone would get real and quickly come to a deal in terms of barriers and tariffs.


Why waste years of energy and wrangling with the silly old Brussels technocrats for whom everything is a huge 'complicated' problem?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

setmefree2 wrote: »

by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard for The Telegraph:

You can't put that quote here - the extreme pro-remain types in this thread are already near-apopleptic!

The EU hold all the cards, didn't you know that?


Joking aside, Myself and others have been saying similar for many months.
The EU know this.
They know it may well finish them, too.

As I keep saying:
Bring it on.