If we vote for Brexit what happens

kabayiri

Tromking wrote: »

I saw a fella from a British based pro-EU think-tank on the TV yesterday saying that some personalities within the Council of Europe are more than a bit irked that the EU Commission is seemingly engaged in a game of brinkmanship with the UK.
I wonder if Merkel and the Luxembourger Lush have misjudged this one?

Maybe accidentally, but they are playing into Mays' electioneering hands.

Whether you agree with her or not, she has been vocal about the issue, and on the front foot.

How Corbyn responds, or if he so vocal in response, is less sure. Both leaders seem to lack charisma but there is a steel about May which is absent from Corbyn.

I don't think we should try and interfere with French or German elections, nor should they try and interfere with ours.

Conrad

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Your very optimistic of Brexit, why do you not think the same would apply to an Independent Scotland?

I'm all for an independent Scotland, if that's the route she chooses.


I would caution though that Scottish growth is poor of late, education and health outcomes have been in decline, dependency is high.


Socialism is hampering the once great Scottish nation that gave the world so much.


Socialism dumbs people down, causes more to feel like victims and rewards poor decision making by individuals. Scandinavia has largely weaned itself off of socialism and in any event their brand of socialism still involved a highly sceptical welfare system quite unlike Scotland's.


Buts that's a discussion for another thread ,lol.

setmefree2

The EU is scared: It knows no deal is better for Britain than a bad deal

A bad deal would mean failing to secure control of our borders so that economic migration is determined by the skills on offer rather than what country a person comes from. A bad deal would mean leaving EU institutions to control any of our taxes, regulations and laws rather than ensuring our politicians are accountable for them again. And a bad deal would involve facing a continuing bar bill for drinks we never ordered or the stale croissant we will never eat.

Yes British businesses will have to face some tariffs, but with sterling down since the referendum, these are of less significance than opponents suggest. We should also remember that under WTO rules, the EU cannot single out the UK for unusually punitive tariffs – they must be the same as they are for the US, China and Japan.
Of course no deal will be called a hard Brexit, or even an extreme Brexit, but it would result in Britain operating in a way no different to most other Western countries in terms of control of economic, political and social affairs. And ironically, because a hard Brexit would result in a hard border between England and an independent Scotland, it actually makes Scottish independence less likely than a soft Brexit.
No deal is not in the wrong galaxy. If it comes to it, why have cotton when you can have silk?

http://www.cityam.com/263956/eu-scared-knows-no-deal-better-britain-than-bad-deal

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

I'm just curious as to when the good stuff Conrad keeps promising is going to start happening. Is it only after we've left we'll suddenly start developing new industry?

Lots of good stuff is happening and there's a world of opportunity ahead. Sometimes it's great to jump in the cold brook and sink or swim, and no I'm not rich so I'm not blas!, but I am totally confident we will prosper and thrive, why wouldn't we

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

Lots of good stuff is happening and there's a world of opportunity ahead. Sometimes it's great to jump in the cold brook and sink or swim, and no I'm not rich so I'm not blas!, but I am totally confident we will prosper and thrive, why wouldn't we

What good stuff is happening so far? What potential good things are happening?

You were talking about buying a BTL with a 40% deposit in another thread, so I suspect that makes you a lot richer than most of us. If things get bad, you can sell your spare house or just hold off and keep your £80+k in the bank

A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life

Herzlos wrote: »

What good stuff is happening so far? What potential good things are happening?

You were talking about buying a BTL with a 40% deposit in another thread, so I suspect that makes you a lot richer than most of us. If things get bad, you can sell your spare house or just hold off and keep your £80+k in the bank

Try reading the thread.
ALL of it, not just the negative bits you want to concentrate on.


Growth up.
Building up.
Jobs up.
Etc. etc. etc.

Herzlos

No I've read that, building is up a bit, unemployment is at all time lows (which may make resourcing any new growth difficult), growth up by a rounding error.

I've not heard of any investment or new opportunities or anything that's a direct or indirect result of Brexit, and can't be waved away by "that could have happened anyway". But I have heard of plenty of losses that are being attributed directly to Brexit.

So on the growth front, are we better off now with Brexit than we otherwise would be? Will the same be true when the clock runs out and 10 years after that?

gfplux

Just to recap on the "disaster Junker May dinner"
This is the FULL translation of the leak that was published in the Franfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ)

Wether it's right or wrong to "leak" or "brief" all politicians do it much of the time.

Translated by David Pike.
Note: This is a translation of an online version published by FAZ.NET on May 1st, 2017. The original article appeared in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung on April 30th, 2017 under the headline “Das Brexit-Dinner”. The text remains unchanged with the exception of the title, the teaser and added sub headers.

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/theresa-may-jean-claude-juncker-and-the-disastrous-brexit-dinner-14998803.html

It is well worth the read, 10 minutes or less, of course both sides of the argument here can take what they want from it.
However do remember this daily newspaper print and online is quite a heavy weight in German Media with the 2nd largest circulation. In Wikipedia they claim to deliver hard copies to 148 Country's every day. It has an interesting independent ownership.
Britain is not making friends in Germany at the moment.

kabayiri

Btw, I am working on the definitive Brexit pop song using the now well established technique of plagiarism and quality reduction that is synonymous with today's pop output.

In the interests of (a little) suspense I won't reveal the source. You can guess

:--
'Crats (a) foot,
Kitten Heeled Paw,
Euro politicians scream Delors,
Juncker leaves dinner with a point to score,
Twenty first Century Brexit Man.

A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life

Herzlos wrote: »

No I've read that, building is up a bit, unemployment is at all time lows (which may make resourcing any new growth difficult), growth up by a rounding error.

I've not heard of any investment or new opportunities or anything that's a direct or indirect result of Brexit, and can't be waved away by "that could have happened anyway". But I have heard of plenty of losses that are being attributed directly to Brexit.

So on the growth front, are we better off now with Brexit than we otherwise would be? Will the same be true when the clock runs out and 10 years after that?

Ah but anyone can attribute anything to what the heck they want, pretty much.
It doesn't make it true & it doesn't make it fact.
What it does tend to make it is the easiest option.
Like the old "The cheque's in the post" line.

As for comparisons - how?
No one can be sure.
Whoever says they are is a liar, as simple as.