If we vote for Brexit what happens

Tromking

Arklight wrote: »

It's not really apparent unity though is it. Brexit seems to have been a shot in the arm for European unity as the fact they all want to give the Brits a slap is something they can all agree on.

So far May's response to this is that Stability means Stability and she is 'a bloody difficult woman'.

Well that's grand but some of us are hoping someone more competent is waiting in the wings who has a talent other than annoying people we need to be working with.

I think we're both guilty of viewing Brexit through the prism of our own bias. You see uncompromising EU unity and PM May as an antagonistic incompetent, some of us think differently.
Only time will tell as to who instincts are correct.

Conrad

Imagine the response had it been May that leaked a private dinner conversation. We'd be getting all the usual accusations that our side are the aggressors and a laughing stock.


But because the EU are the perpetrators, Remainers ignore or seek to justify it.

vivatifosi

Welcome back Conrad. Good to see you.

IveSeenTheLight

Asghar wrote: »

It's quite obvious that the EU leaders will leak details, use scare tactics and spread lies and propaganda to stop the UK from leaving.

I think, we are still the second biggest economy in the EU and they need us and our budget contributions. They do not want us to leave.

Then we have media, like the BBC, who seem more than willing to be a mouthpiece for these EU tactics.

It was only yesterday that I was hearing from Nick Clegg about May leaking information whilst they were in a coalition.

It seems politics is not driving forward but is regressing backwards

CKhalvashi

cogito wrote: »

Hello, CK. nice to see you back.

Perhaps you night now like to post a link to support your claim that Mrs May threatened to attack Spain.

I will find a link when I get to a computer, not currently anywhere near one.

I do believe her exact words were that she would 'go to war' over Gibraltar, and even if it was another senior Tory (although memory says it was her) then she needs to keep her house in line.

WengerIn

Conrad wrote: »

Imagine the response had it been May that leaked a private dinner conversation. We'd be getting all the usual accusations that our side are the aggressors and a laughing stock.


But because the EU are the perpetrators, Remainers ignore or seek to justify it.

It's all very well to be outraged by this leak but it shows that Britain and the EU have got a huge amount to do and are highly unlikely to be able to come to an agreement. You can address the substance or whinge about how **unfair** it all is and stomp your feet.

You can like Juncker or not but the fact is that he and Verhofstadt are going to be taking the lead in the negotiations and to a large part you are going to be dancing to their tune. The next couple of years are going to be very interesting I suspect and not in a good way. The EU is going to do everything it can to make things as hard as it can for the UK and there's going to be very little the UK Government can do about it.

Conrad

WengerIn wrote: »

It also reckons that the UK doesn't really have anything to offer the EU,

It wont come down to what's in it for the EU as a whole. It will come down to the sudden reality of being confronted by the decision to self harm for example thousands of Spaniards involved in supplying the UK with fruit n veg by erecting sales barriers. We could easily import from Israel, Morocco etc etc should Brussels erect sales taxes and barriers.


These real world harmful effects on up to 5 million EU citizens trading with the UK is where the real dynamics will play out.

Conrad

WengerIn wrote: »

The EU is going to do everything it can to make things as hard as it can for the UK

Erecting sales barriers and taxes will go down without a fuss with lets say French farmers and Spanish fruit growers? They will just merrily accept this self harm? The fate of a few thousand Port Talbot workers dominated UK news for months. Imagine when Brussels are contemplating self-harming the sales of 5 million EU workers involved in UK sales.


Here's one of hundreds of examples of the reality on the ground;


Flemish rally to avoid a hard Brexit.

Of Belgium’s exports to Britain, 87 percent come from this Dutch-speaking region. In total, 9 percent of Flemish exports head to the U.K.

Flemish Minister-President Geert Bourgeois insisted that Europe would need a “trade deal-plus” that would privilege British industry over other countries outside of the EU.

http://www.politico.eu/article/flanders-fabrics-face-brexit-backlash/

vivatifosi

Just watched an interesting interview with Yanis Varoufakis on Sky News regarding the two positions of the EU and UK. I don't like his politics very much, but like the way he openly speaks his mind.

He said that he wasn't at all optimistic about negotiations. He said all of this could be sorted out if both sides wanted a mutually beneficial agreement. But both sides aren't giving that impression. On the one hand, Brussels wants to give the UK a bloody nose as a means of deterring other countries moving away and to further entrench the powers of the powers that be in the remaining EU. On the other hand Mrs May has cornered herself into a position where she places herself above british businesses, banks, citizens, in that she is in a strict ideological position where she wants to end FOM and cooperation with the ECJ. Both sides are positioning themselves for a crash.

(paraphrased, but pretty much what he said)

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Conrad wrote: »

Erecting sales barriers and taxes will go down without a fuss with lets say French farmers and Spanish fruit growers? They will just merrily accept this self harm? The fate of a few thousand Port Talbot workers dominated UK news for months. Imagine when Brussels are contemplating self-harming the sales of 5 million EU workers involved in UK sales.


Here's one of hundreds of examples of the reality on the ground;


Flemish rally to avoid a hard Brexit.

Of Belgium’s exports to Britain, 87 percent come from this Dutch-speaking region. In total, 9 percent of Flemish exports head to the U.K.

Flemish Minister-President Geert Bourgeois insisted that Europe would need a “trade deal-plus” that would privilege British industry over other countries outside of the EU.

http://www.politico.eu/article/flanders-fabrics-face-brexit-backlash/

We have both posted similar pieces in the past - from business in Bavaria asking for moderation regarding Brexit to the Irish or Danish or Dutch asking the same.

Those determined to dee Brexit as nothing more than a disaster will do just what they always do, in this thread/forum certainly:
Ignore it.

They can only read negativity.