If we vote for Brexit what happens

WengerIn

:eek:A proper translation of **that** German newspaper report:

https://medium.com/@20sthredhead/i-translated-that-infamous-german-article-concerning-the-may-juncker-dinner-that-everyones-been-ac5f952b92e

Cripes :eek:

The topic of money was approached. The EU estimates costs of around 60 to 65 billion Euros for London. May argued her country did not owe the European Union a single penny, as the contracts made no mention of divorce bills upon exit. Her visitors countered that with every previous budget and with mid-term financial planning, London had made legal financial commitments. The EU, they argued, was not a golf club that one could join or leave as one pleased (although the similarity remained that even here one would lose their deposit). Rather, the European Union was a large community based on the need for peace. The parents had now had children. Along with the divorce they now had to face their responsibilities.
Brexit Minister Davis pointed out that the EU would not be able to push through its demands once London had left, as it would no longer subject to the European Court. Okay, Juncker replied, but should Britain act like this there would be no will to form a free trade agreement either. Moreover, the exit process would change completely. According to the EU contract, only national governments and the European Parliament have to agree to an exit agreement — it merely requires a majority. However, if negotiations led to the remaining states being left with unpaid British bills, then every single nation’s parliament would need to be involved in the negotiations. After all, national members of parliament decide locally how much money gets transferred to Brussels. And why should they step in for London? Berlin has made it clear on several occasions, both publicly and internally, that it is not willing to do that. When representatives of heads of states had last discussed the issue, the Dutch representative had also made it clear that his country would not step in for a single penny. The motion passed on Saturday almost leaves chief negotiator Barnier no wiggle room on the subject.

chucknorris

Joeskeppi wrote: »

Still at least we can open some factories that produce small plastic animals to put in Christmas crackers

Don't forget about the 'Don't blame me, I voted Remain' tee-shirts, if things go really badly, these could fly off the shelves.

CKhalvashi

kabayiri wrote: »

You don't get it, do you?

The disaffected working class groups who voted Leave are gloriously inconsistent.

They really don't fear thousands of radiographers coming from Europe, bringing their new fangled X-ray techniques with them.

It's the competition from basic workers from cheaper places who are prepared to work longer hours and live crammed in to cheap rentals. In a place like Boston this means the double whammy of lower average income levels and rising rents, not a great combo.

Nobody in the political classes has been listening to these people for years, maybe even decades...and then someone comes along with a simple question complete with slogans. Why, it's like Xmas come early.

It won't be that many years until these cheap migrants are themselves complaining about being replaced by C3PIO's rough n ready cousin. FoM will be like a deceased canard then.

Ask my mother whether it's actually possible to hire Radiographers from the EU, and you may find its already almost impossible.

She works in a busy Uktrasound department that is constantly short staffed (in fact, she's the only full time woman, and has other responsibilities too), because it's impossible to recruit from X-ray, because there aren't enough Radiographers.

The band 6 X-Ray jobs I don't believe you can fill from the shortage list either, which causes further problems as in most of the EU, her job is done by Radiologists.

Bet you didn't know that

undetterred

chucknorris wrote: »

Don't forget about the 'Don't blame me, I voted Remain' tee-shirts, if things go really badly, these could fly off the shelves.

Mayonnaise,Reno man, dithering dad has already bought one

mayonnaise

undetterred wrote: »

Mayonnaise,Reno man, dithering dad has already bought one

at pre brexit inflation price! :money:

kabayiri

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Ask my mother whether it's actually possible to hire Radiographers from the EU, and you may find its already almost impossible.

She works in a busy Uktrasound department that is constantly short staffed (in fact, she's the only full time woman, and has other responsibilities too), because it's impossible to recruit from X-ray, because there aren't enough Radiographers.

The band 6 X-Ray jobs I don't believe you can fill from the shortage list either, which causes further problems as in most of the EU, her job is done by Radiologists.

Bet you didn't know that

It really doesn't matter on individual cases though, harsh as it may sound.

To me it's a numbers game. If you have a handful of people coming from wherever to take local jobs then nobody really bats an eyelid.

Up this to the thousands and as long as local services seem okay, people will just adapt.

But, move to tens of thousands and more every single year, with the possibility that this pattern continues, then people start to look at services under strain.

I don't think it's any coincidence that complaints have become more vocal as the concurrent process of local council restrictions have begun to bite hard.

Maybe it is the fault of the UK government failing to spend enough in those places impacted heavily (outside London)? Maybe it is the fault of the UK government not to ensure that FoM really does mean a two way flow of labour, just as trade is two ways? It's hard for voters to know who really is to blame.

Systems need control and sustainability in my view. We don't seem to have either.

Tromking

mrginge wrote: »

I think it's just a little nervousness. The game is supposed to play out the way the EU want (and are used to). When it doesn't then the volume gets raised and we get told how difficult things are and how it's their way or the highway.

Guess we'll see who's got the biggest balls in a few months.

I have to say I've been proud of my Government over the last few days.
In the face of disingenuous politicking by Merkel`s Germanic cabal, we've kept it civilised and appear at least to be trying to act in good faith.
The desperation to leak is telling in my view, it smacks of an EU to eager to paint the UK as unreasonable and incompetent, so as to shore up their apparent unity on Brexit.

Asghar

Tromking wrote: »

I have to say I've been proud of my Government over the last few days.
In the face of disingenuous politicking by Merkel`s Germanic cabal, we've kept it civilised and appear at least to be trying to act in good faith.
The desperation to leak is telling in my view, it smacks of an EU to eager to paint the UK as unreasonable and incompetent, so as to shore up their apparent unity on Brexit.

It's quite obvious that the EU leaders will leak details, use scare tactics and spread lies and propaganda to stop the UK from leaving.

I think, we are still the second biggest economy in the EU and they need us and our budget contributions. They do not want us to leave.

Then we have media, like the BBC, who seem more than willing to be a mouthpiece for these EU tactics.

Arklight

Tromking wrote: »

I have to say I've been proud of my Government over the last few days.
In the face of disingenuous politicking by Merkel`s Germanic cabal, we've kept it civilised and appear at least to be trying to act in good faith.
The desperation to leak is telling in my view, it smacks of an EU to eager to paint the UK as unreasonable and incompetent, so as to shore up their apparent unity on Brexit.

It's not really apparent unity though is it. Brexit seems to have been a shot in the arm for European unity as the fact they all want to give the Brits a slap is something they can all agree on.

So far May's response to this is that Stability means Stability and she is 'a bloody difficult woman'.

Well that's grand but some of us are hoping someone more competent is waiting in the wings who has a talent other than annoying people we need to be working with.

cogito

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Ask my mother whether it's actually possible to hire Radiographers from the EU, and you may find its already almost impossible.

She works in a busy Uktrasound department that is constantly short staffed (in fact, she's the only full time woman, and has other responsibilities too), because it's impossible to recruit from X-ray, because there aren't enough Radiographers.

The band 6 X-Ray jobs I don't believe you can fill from the shortage list either, which causes further problems as in most of the EU, her job is done by Radiologists.

Bet you didn't know that

Hello, CK. nice to see you back.

Perhaps you night now like to post a link to support your claim that Mrs May threatened to attack Spain.