If we vote for Brexit what happens

gfplux

cogito wrote: »

Students are not migrants.

You are quite correct however they have been included in the numbers of immigrants that have so upset many who then went on to vote for Brexit.

gfplux

cogito wrote: »

This means that the number of passport applications rose last year and some of them were UK citizens. It doesn't mean that the Irish passport office has processed a million applications from citizens of the UK. Nothing amazing about it.

Look. I'm a UK citizen living in an EU country and I have an Irish grandparent which means that I could obtain an Irish passport. If things got sticky, which I very much doubt, I could apply for an Irish passport. That doesn't necessarily mean that I would get one as I have to prove eligibility and that might not be easy as many birth records were destroyed in a fire in Dublin in the 1920s. So suppose my application is turned down. The total number of applications includes both successful and unsuccessful.

You really need to stop clutching at every passing straw which might support your opposition to Brexit.

There are plenty of straws, twigs and a growing number of heavy logs that support the proposition that Britain will have a tough time before the promised wealth arrives from Britains huge success outside the EU.
I am against Brexit, true. I see it as a great mistake and if there is to be any success for Britain outside the EU it will be a long way down the road and I simply don't think productivity in Britain will improve just as it has not in the past few few decades.
So much of the promised success of Brexit is based on changes to British culture and attitude that could have but did not happen while Britain was a member of the EU.

Conrad

General Election called - lets see what votes the Remoaners manage to cobble together

wotsthat

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

So, much continues to rumble on as before in Euroland with major difficulties such as migration remaining unresolved.
How will EU relationships with Turkey - already low - progress following Turkey's close-call vote?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/eu-observer-turkey-condemns-referendum-result-president-erdogan-opposition-parties-demand-recount-a7686876.html

Remember that in the region of 2.5 million Syrian refugees are in Turkey following a Turkish/EU agreement; a few times already Turkey has vocalized threats to this agreement and said it will open land passage towards Europe for them.

An EU agreement with Turkey doesn't address the root cause of the problem (war) but merely means we'll be able to cast our blind eyes further afield before gazing upon the problem.

Brexit offers no solution either but some will think it means we'll be unaffected if 2.5m Syrians head West across Europe.

In fact I think it's completely irrelevant here given the thread title - it's a hangover from the referendum campaign where a mention of Turkey & Syrian refugees was a vote winner for the leave campaign and, once the Brexit goggles went on, nobody bothered to think whether Brexit would make a jot of difference either way.

davomcdave

cogito wrote: »

This means that the number of passport applications rose last year and some of them were UK citizens. It doesn't mean that the Irish passport office has processed a million applications from citizens of the UK. Nothing amazing about it.

Look. I'm a UK citizen living in an EU country and I have an Irish grandparent which means that I could obtain an Irish passport. If things got sticky, which I very much doubt, I could apply for an Irish passport. That doesn't necessarily mean that I would get one as I have to prove eligibility and that might not be easy as many birth records were destroyed in a fire in Dublin in the 1920s. So suppose my application is turned down. The total number of applications includes both successful and unsuccessful.

You really need to stop clutching at every passing straw which might support your opposition to Brexit.

If you read other articles it becomes clear that most of the increase is from British people:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/15/number-of-britons-seeking-irish-passports-rises-by-two-thirds

Number of Britons seeking Irish passports increases by two-thirds

That took me about 10 seconds with Google to find. Before you start to make accusations you could at least be bothered to see if you're accurate. Actually scrap that, this is the internet so feel free to demonstrate your ignorance at every turn.

I thought this was an interesting piece from the NY Times on Brexit and London:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/04/11/world/europe/uk-london-brexit.html?utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_term=170417&utm_campaign=sharetheview&_r=0

London may be the capital of the world. You can argue for New York, but London has a case. Modern London is the metropolis that globalization created. Walk the streets of Holborn, ride an escalator down to the Tube and listen to the languages in the air. Italian mingles with Hindi, or Mandarin, or Spanish, or Portuguese. Walk through the City, the financial district, and listen to the plumbing system of international capitalism. London is banker to the planet. London is ancient yet new. It is as much city-state as city, with a culture and economy that circulate the world. London manages to be Los Angeles, Washington and New York wrapped into one. Imagine if one American city were home to Hollywood, the White House, Madison Avenue, Wall Street and Broadway. London is sort of that.

Modern London thrives on the idea that one city can be a global melting pot, a global trading house, a global media machine and a place where everyone tolerates everyone else, mostly. The thought is that being connected to the rest of the world is something to celebrate. But what happens to London when that idea unexpectedly falls away?

This should be of particular interest to people who live outside the south east of England in Britain and thus benefit from the very large amounts of tax paid by Londoners to the rest of the country. Don't kill the golden goose!

wotsthat

Conrad wrote: »

General Election called - lets see what votes the Remoaners manage to cobble together

There isn't a 'remoaner' challenge, Labour are in disarray, UKIP are a busted flush and most people couldn't name the leader of the Lib Dems. The SNP achieved their highest number of seats in the last election - the risk is to the downside for them.

Why do you think she called an election? Because she wants to give people chance to get things off their chests or because she thinks she can win?

Conrad

wotsthat wrote: »

Why do you think she called an election? Because she wants to give people chance to get things off their chests or because she thinks she can win?

To give her a rock solid Brexit mandate, which strengthens her position at the EU table, free of the constant background of Remoaners determined to undermine her negotiating position.

A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life

Conrad wrote: »

General Election called - lets see what votes the Remoaners manage to cobble together

You mean let's see what the remainers say when a huge Tory majority is the result?
How will they cry "but who voted for May" or "May has no mandate" etc. then?

wotsthat

Conrad wrote: »

To give her a rock solid Brexit mandate, which strengthens her position at the EU table, free of the constant background of Remoaners determined to undermine her negotiating position.

There's already a rock solid Brexit mandate. There's been a referendum, legal challenge and article 50 has been triggered.

It's a sign of a softer Brexit on the way. She needs to deal with the right wing frothers now so she can organise a nice orderly tapered exit. With a decent majority she'll get away with extending things like freedom of movement for a period and won't have to be held hostage by one or two on the right.

Good move - who else are they going to vote for?

Conrad

wotsthat wrote: »

There's already a rock solid Brexit mandate. There's been a referendum, legal challenge and article 50 has been triggered.

It's a sign of a softer Brexit on the way. She needs to deal with the right wing frothers now so she can organise a nice orderly tapered exit. With a decent majority she'll get away with extending things like freedom of movement for a period and won't have to be held hostage by one or two on the right.

Good move - who else are they going to vote for?

Her main issue has been the constant background din of Remoaner MP's and Lords essentially batting for the EU all the way, and thus weakening May at the negotiating table as Brussels will know they can eek things out to 2020 and then a Blair like Teflon Politician could win a GE and cancel Brexit.


In a negotiation you must be able to say you will walk with no deal in order to be respected. You cannot haggle on a house if the owner knows he has you over a barrel.