If we vote for Brexit what happens

mrginge

Let's be nice.

There's plenty of marginal remainers out there that aren't quite as desperate as some on here. They're the ones that have the big decision to make.
I find it actually quite refreshing. They decided to stick with the status quo before, but now they have to make an actual change decision. Back the tories who will probably deliver a hard-ish Brexit but are at least competent. Back anyone else (doesn't matter who) and risk years of ineffective coalition and economic mismanagement, while *maybe* clinging onto the Single Market.

wotsthat

Conrad wrote: »

Her main issue has been the constant background din of Remoaner MP's and Lords essentially batting for the EU all the way, and thus weakening May at the negotiating table as Brussels will know they can eek things out to 2020 and then a Blair like Teflon Politician could win a GE and cancel Brexit.

In a negotiation you must be able to say you will walk with no deal in order to be respected. You cannot haggle on a house if the owner knows he has you over a barrel.

Remoaners don't exist other than in your head.

We're leaving the EU. The only debate is about how.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

There are plenty of straws, twigs and a growing number of heavy logs that support the proposition that Britain will have a tough time before the promised wealth arrives from Britains huge success outside the EU.

Who is promising wealth?

Thrugelmir

Arklight wrote: »

Liam Fox and his aides have travelled almost the same combined distance as between the earth and moon, 238,000 miles on 35 trips in search of a Brexit trade deal.

And haven't signed a single one.

How many have the EU managed to conclude and on average how many years did it take to sign one?

PS. We haven't actually left the EU yet.

wotsthat

mrginge wrote: »

There's plenty of marginal remainers out there that aren't quite as desperate as some on here. They're the ones that have the big decision to make.
I find it actually quite refreshing. They decided to stick with the status quo before, but now they have to make an actual change decision. Back the tories who will probably deliver a hard-ish Brexit but are at least competent. Back anyone else (doesn't matter who) and risk years of ineffective coalition and economic mismanagement, while *maybe* clinging onto the Single Market.

This isn't a Brexit referendum. Brexit is happening.

I see this GE as a sign that a softer Brexit is desired by Mrs May and she's trying to get the right to pull their necks in. It's a win win - I want a softer Brexit and I don't want Corbyn as PM.

Say I'm right (humour me) then the people who have the really big decision to make are those on the right looking for a hard Brexit. Who do they vote for? We really mustn't forget that the Tories have a track record of tearing themselves apart over Europe and that's the risk May takes here.

She should win hands down but we're living in strange times.

The_Last_Username

gfplux wrote: »

Firstly I said immigrant workers from EU 14 were considering leaving. There are very few from that area working in the fields of Lincolnshire.
Secondly it is my opinion as a Brit immigrant in Luxembourg that I can more easily tune in to the thought processes of workers from EU14 than you do.

You would do much better if you read the post and relevant statistics before posting a nonsensical response.

Regarding your "firstly":
There are EU14 residents in Lincolnshire aplenty and many from Spain & Portugal.
This from Research Lincs regarding the past ten years:

The number of people born in 'old' EU states (counties like Ireland, Spain, Portugal, or Germany) who now live in Lincolnshire increased by 62.6%

I repeat what I said earlier; "Here in Lincolnshire there is little evidence of any leaving" as well as "Not just in regards to agriculture, either".



Regarding your "secondly" - I note that it is your opinion.
We all know what is said about opinions, don't we?
So you as a Brit expat can "tune in" to the thoughts of EU14 workers in the UK from your home in Luxembourg more easily than me here working amongst them?
Wow!
That's some pretty serious delusional thinking there.

Conrad

wotsthat wrote: »

Remoaners don't exist other than in your head.

We're leaving the EU. The only debate is about how.

I guess Tim Farron, Sturgeon, Blair, Alistair Campbell and Clegg will be a figment of my imagination during this GE campaign? They wont MOAN at all about Brexit!


Can I suggest you listen to LBC this evening if you want to update yourself on the national conversation a huge part of which is how to wrestle back public opinion behind remaining in the EU.

wotsthat

Conrad wrote: »

I guess Tim Farron, Sturgeon, Blair, Alistair Campbell and Clegg will be a figment of my imagination during this GE campaign? They wont MOAN at all about Brexit!

I don't think looking for decent deal out of Brexit whilst thinking it's a stupid idea makes anyone a remoaner.

Conrad wrote: »

Can I suggest you listen to LBC this evening if you want to update yourself on the national conversation a huge part of which is how to wrestle back public opinion behind remaining in the EU.

I really don't think LBC is where the national conversation is happening.

Most people will be wondering why we need an election when we've had a GE and a referendum in the space of two years. It's more self-indulgent navel gazing which LBC facilitates in return for advertising revenue.

Thrugelmir

wotsthat wrote: »

Say I'm right (humour me) then the people who have the really big decision to make are those on the right looking for a hard Brexit. Who do they vote for? We really mustn't forget that the Tories have a track record of tearing themselves apart over Europe and that's the risk May takes here.

Brexit isn't a pic 'n' mix where one chooses the outcome. The question of the EU divides all political parties. What the GE potentially provides Mrs May with is a clear mandate to represent the UK as a whole. In 5 years time the landscape may well have changed. Then it'll be a return to more mundane matters.

wotsthat

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Brexit isn't a pic 'n' mix where one chooses the outcome. The question of the EU divides all political parties. What the GE potentially provides Mrs May with is a clear mandate to represent the UK as a whole. In 5 years time the landscape may well have changed. Then it'll be a return to more mundane matters.

The question of the EU divides the Tories more than most. They have form in this regard. I suspect she's more interested in achieving a mandate to represent the Tories as a whole.