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If we vote for Brexit what happens
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Good grief, you're so funny. You just don't read anything you link to in enough depth to understand it, do you?
Firstly "international students" are defined as those residing outside the EU.
Secondly, from your own HESA link
From what I have been reading I suggest you read again.
You appear to have misunderstood.
Also no one denies that the future may indeed not be so rosy but that currently numbers are reasonably stable (and indeed are increasing) - as the HESA link very clearly shows.
Read the tables.Top Ten non-EU sending countries
And is there a reason for you extremely poor attitude?Top EU sending countries
Other than being proven wrong yet again?0 -
Interesting quote but the problem is that most of the hard Brexit supporters have dismissed all who voted Remain (not just ultra remainers) from day one as those unentitled to an opinion at all.
I like you Bob, although we rarely agree. You've said this line before though, and it simply isn't true. What Brexit supporters don't think Remain voters are entitled to, is to overturn, delay or water down what was a clear vote to leave the EU.
It's worth noting also, that it's particularly rich to aim that criticism at Brexit voters, when everybody in the remain camp was EXTREMELY happy to never give those who wanted Brexit a chance to voice their opinion at all! Calls for a referendum were shouted down for decades by europhiles and there were howls of outrage (many of them on this forum) when we were finally given one.0 -
Another one to add to the list of things you've completely made up.
No its based on evidence. A recent question time witnessed Anne Widdicombe laughing at a 17 year old who complained she should have had the right to vote and the same panelist regularly talked over anyone who expressed a non-Brexit view. The same thing happens on these threads with any doubt about Brexit being criticised as remoaning.
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/71919956#Comment_71919956
I accept we will Brexit, but I reserve the right to question how we do it. You may not like it but that's tough!Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »I post this since I note that no-one commented upon it earlier in the week: the QS ranking of the world's top law universities has been released.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/qs-ranking-of-best-universities-to-study-law-in-europe-2017-4?r=US&IR=T/#14-alma-mater-studiorum-university-of-bologna-729-students-wanting-to-get-a-top-quality-law-degree-while-also-living-in-italy-should-apply-to-the-university-of-bolognas-law-school-the-countrys-best-alma-mater-studiorum-scored-highest-in-the-citations-category-with-789-points-1
World ranking:
https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2017/law-legal-studies
You can also take a look at other subjects rankings from the above link.
Impressive indeed and we should be proud of all we have achieved.
This was all done by the UK universities and the policies of the UK Government. The fact that we have achieved this while we are members of the EU with a growing economy over several decades is an incredible coincidence?.
I am not suggesting its all due to the EU but it has played a part in ensuring the UK attracts the highest calibre of students and benefits disproportionately from the EU research funding and the cooperation with other institutions.
Hopefully these universities will sustain their positions in these ratings leagues in the coming years as we disconnect from the EU.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
I like you Bob, although we rarely agree. You've said this line before though, and it simply isn't true. What Brexit supporters don't think Remain voters are entitled to, is to overturn, delay or water down what was a clear vote to leave the EU.
It's worth noting also, that it's particularly rich to aim that criticism at Brexit voters, when everybody in the remain camp was EXTREMELY happy to never give those who wanted Brexit a chance to voice their opinion at all! Calls for a referendum were shouted down for decades by europhiles and there were howls of outrage (many of them on this forum) when we were finally given one.
My comments were directed towards those who want a "hard Brexit". There are many on both sides of the argument who could see the faults of the EU as well as its benefits (I presume Mrs May was one of them).
I agree those who supported remain are being disingenuous if they try to water down Brexit. But its also wrong that those who won the argument claim that the vote means that the public voted to end immigration and have no formal trading relationship with the EU. Many in UKIP believe this as do the right wing of the Tory party. I can understand any of these being sensitive to any suggestions of a more cooperative form of Brexit and fearing that its watering down their views, but they refuse to accept that Brexit can be achieved in different ways.
I agree that politicians have played games with the opportunity of the public to state its view. What is also tragic is that the way the campaigns were run denied everyone the opportunity of hearing the arguments in a neutral way.
To make this work we need to have a far more flexible approach to negotiations with the EU and the hard Brexit supporters need to learn to avoid seeing conspiracies everywhere to water down Brexit. The politicians leading the negotiations are, after all, Eurosceptic if not Eurohostile.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
No its based on evidence. A recent question time witnessed Anne Widdicombe laughing at a 17 year old who complained she should have had the right to vote and the same panelist regularly talked over anyone who expressed a non-Brexit view. The same thing happens on these threads with any doubt about Brexit being criticised as remoaning.
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/71919956#Comment_71919956
I accept we will Brexit, but I reserve the right to question how we do it. You may not like it but that's tough!
Well that truly is conclusive evidence about 'most' hard (another pointless term) Brexit supporters.0 -
To make this work we need to have a far more flexible approach to negotiations with the EU and the hard Brexit supporters need to learn to avoid seeing conspiracies everywhere to water down Brexit. The politicians leading the negotiations are, after all, Eurosceptic if not Eurohostile.
I'm sure the UK will be flexible. For the "EU" flexibility is more of an issue. As letting the UK have different terms. Then opens the gates for others to negotiate. The core political principles are firmly wedded in the bureaucracy in Brussels. The UK as Mrs May originally set out. Is best prepared to plan for the worst possible scenario now. In essence to then run on twin tracks. Then if suitable compromise is found all well and good. If not then the UK has lost no momentum.0 -
This was expected but the timing has speeded up.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/15/britain-set-to-lose-eu-crown-jewels?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
The European Banking Authority and the European Medicines Agency employ about 1,000 people, many of them British, and provide a hub for businesses in the UK. It is understood that the EU’s chief negotiator hopes the agencies will know their new locations by June, although the process may take longer. Cities such as Frankfurt, Milan, Amsterdam and Paris are competing to take the agencies, which are regarded as among the EU’s crown jewels.There will be no Brexit dividend for Britain.0 -
Some plain speaking
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/the-big-weekend-interview-brexit-voters-have-been-tricked-lied-to-and-conned-1-8494027
"“There will be a lot of your readers who – when they saw Boris Johnson and Michael Gove, and all these people standing outside that bus saying £350m a week extra for the NHS – couldn’t believe senior politicians would stand in front of it unless it was the truth,” she tells the Yorkshire Post. “But it was a lie. Because we don’t even send that amount, and we certainly aren’t getting it back, and people should be cross that they’ve been tricked, lied-to and conned.There will be no Brexit dividend for Britain.0 -
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