If we vote for Brexit what happens

Rinoa

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I was more thinking along the lines if May and posters here/voters in general would actually accept the Norway model EEA/EFTA now at this stage of the game. Which of course is essentially a soft Brexit retaining FOM, Single Market membership, paying into the pot etc etc.

And I did read the article fully before posting it. I wasn't interested in what the EU are going to go for. I was more interested in what the UK and May would see as acceptable should the Norway option be offered as an option.

Would it be ? Acceptable ?

Interesting that this proposition is coming from the EU.

Quite a few noises coming out of the EU pointing out that if the UK is punished then Ireland, and to a lesser extent countries like Netherlands, Belgium and Denmark, will also suffer huge losses in trade.

Yes we could have a Norway type agreement for a couple of years to facilitate a mutually beneficial trade agreement. But on our terms, we have more leverage then many realise.

Thrugelmir

Rinoa wrote: »

Quite a few noises coming out of the EU pointing out that if the UK is punished then Ireland, and to a lesser extent countries like Netherlands, Belgium and Denmark, will also suffer huge losses in trade.

Somehow the EU has to agree on a unified stance....... difficult with many different agendas.

davomcdave

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Somehow the EU has to agree on a unified stance....... difficult with many different agendas.

Not quite. The Brexit treaty should be able to pass with QMV: Britain would be stupid to try to push through a treaty that requires unanimity as it simply won't happen. I can't think of an agreement that would be acceptable to London that wouldn't be voted for by the Spanish and the Poles.

BobQ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Unworkable. Uncertainty would help no one.

Which sort of prooves my point, unless we can negotiate compromise in less than 2 years we get a hard Brexit which will not help UK nor some of the EU.

Thrugelmir

davomcdave wrote: »

Not quite. The Brexit treaty should be able to pass with QMV: Britain would be stupid to try to push through a treaty that requires unanimity as it simply won't happen. I can't think of an agreement that would be acceptable to London that wouldn't be voted for by the Spanish and the Poles.

The treaty doesn't get passed by QMV though. Instead by Sovereign States and in the case of Belgium separate regional Governments. The UK team represents the UK that's the bottom line. If there's irreconcilable differences of opinion. Then the UK exits without agreement on that topic.

Thrugelmir

BobQ wrote: »

Which sort of prooves my point, unless we can negotiate compromise in less than 2 years we get a hard Brexit which will not help UK nor some of the EU.

Ball is in the EU's court to offer a compromise. Stance with Cameron was uncompromising and offered little change. Not that you'd them too. As the EU is primarily a political beast. While much talk is of trade. Politicians themselves don't know how to trade. Multi national corporations pull the power strings when it comes to lobbying.

Arklight

Rinoa wrote: »

Interesting that this proposition is coming from the EU.

Quite a few noises coming out of the EU pointing out that if the UK is punished then Ireland, and to a lesser extent countries like Netherlands, Belgium and Denmark, will also suffer huge losses in trade.

Yes we could have a Norway type agreement for a couple of years to facilitate a mutually beneficial trade agreement. But on our terms, we have more leverage then many realise.

Brexit is a problem for the EU, but it's a greater problem for the UK, or what will remain of it.

Kippers seek to ignore this.

wotsthat

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Ball is in the EU's court to offer a compromise. Stance with Cameron was uncompromising and offered little change. Not that you'd them too. As the EU is primarily a political beast. While much talk is of trade. Politicians themselves don't know how to trade. Multi national corporations pull the power strings when it comes to lobbying.

How does the EU offer compromise when you tell us they find it impossible to agree on anything and have to get sign off from BMW?

You can't have it both ways.

wotsthat

mrginge wrote: »

The performance of the economy will be (and always has been) a result of multiple factors.
However, my suspicion is that wherever we are in five, ten or twenty years, it'll all be down to brexit. The script of what went wrong is already written for some people.

Eventually, the economy will take a downturn because it always does. It doesn't matter when that is or what other factors are in play. It'll just be because of brexit.
And then when it recovers because it always does, it'll all be because the brilliant remainers rose up and saved us all again.

..and the opposite is also be true. Human nature.

I'm hopeful we'll be able to continue to our lives of self-indulgent navel gazing post-Brexit and, in 10 years time, we'll still be arguing about whether that's a pea we can feel underneath the feather bed.

wotsthat

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

I post this since I note that no-one commented upon it earlier in the week: the QS ranking of the world's top law universities has been released.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/qs-ranking-of-best-universities-to-study-law-in-europe-2017-4?r=US&IR=T/#14-alma-mater-studiorum-university-of-bologna-729-students-wanting-to-get-a-top-quality-law-degree-while-also-living-in-italy-should-apply-to-the-university-of-bolognas-law-school-the-countrys-best-alma-mater-studiorum-scored-highest-in-the-citations-category-with-789-points-1

Every day this thread provides evidence of the glory of the UK.

I'm amazed anyone voted Brexit. Gambling on a game we've already won seems extraordinarily brave or foolhardy.