If we vote for Brexit what happens

A_Medium_Size_Jock

I have said before ion this thread that the UK is free to negotiate as much as it wants to prior to Brexit.
Eurocrats unsurprisingly disagree and would obviously love to hobble the UK - well, many of us realise just how domineering the EU is by now.
Liam Fox clearly believes that we CAN negotiate though, just as I have suggested before:

“Obviously we can’t sign any agreements while we are still members legally of the European Union but we can certainly begin to talk about what we want.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-04-13/fox-fights-eu-attempts-to-limit-u-k-trade-powers-before-brexit

A_Medium_Size_Jock

I post this since I note that no-one commented upon it earlier in the week: the QS ranking of the world's top law universities has been released.

Europe may miss out on the top spot globally to the USA, but the continent has 14 of the top 50 law schools on earth. Britain's legal education is particularly good, with the continent's top six law schools all in the UK, including the second and third best on the planet.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/qs-ranking-of-best-universities-to-study-law-in-europe-2017-4?r=US&IR=T/#14-alma-mater-studiorum-university-of-bologna-729-students-wanting-to-get-a-top-quality-law-degree-while-also-living-in-italy-should-apply-to-the-university-of-bolognas-law-school-the-countrys-best-alma-mater-studiorum-scored-highest-in-the-citations-category-with-789-points-1


World ranking:
https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2017/law-legal-studies

You can also take a look at other subjects rankings from the above link.

Conrad

I was wondering whether AI as it becomes more potent, will end up having a left or right wing stance, pro or anti Brexit?

Fascinating times once AI becomes very capable and inevitably comes down on the most logical side.

Sorry for this little interlude.

Herzlos

It'll have whatever stance it is given. Though this artcicle might be interesting to you: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/apr/13/ai-programs-exhibit-racist-and-sexist-biases-research-reveals

If you assume that AI will work on pure logic, and not mimic any of it's sources character traits, I think it'd probably go right-wing anti-Brexit.

mrginge

BobQ wrote: »

But, if things do not go well, people like us will most likely not suffer the worst consequences of the decision. But if you were a low waged, semi-skilled worker in Sunderland you might be looking for someone to blame in those circumstances.

I genuinely hope that Brexit works and we thrive as you clearly expect. But I am not convinced yet. The economy continues to thrive based on ever rising personal debt but that cannot continue for ever can it?

The performance of the economy will be (and always has been) a result of multiple factors.
However, my suspicion is that wherever we are in five, ten or twenty years, it'll all be down to brexit. The script of what went wrong is already written for some people.

Eventually, the economy will take a downturn because it always does. It doesn't matter when that is or what other factors are in play. It'll just be because of brexit.
And then when it recovers because it always does, it'll all be because the brilliant remainers rose up and saved us all again.

If you want to think about why consumer debt is on the rise, perhaps consider the effect of years of ultra low interest rates creeping through the economy as well as a one off event less than twelve months ths ago.

Economic swings and roundabouts ad infinitum.

Backbiter

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/british-government-realises-brexit-is-a-mistake-official-says-1.3048046?mode=amp
Not surprising when you remember the PM voted remain.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Backbiter wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/british-government-realises-brexit-is-a-mistake-official-says-1.3048046?mode=amp
Not surprising when you remember the PM voted remain.

Is anyone surprised that an EU Brexit official would make such claims?
And that is all these are BTW; claims.
Especially an Irish EU official; Ireland, who are worried about the consequences to them of Brexit?
This is nothing more than an attempt to ease Ireland's own fears IMHO.

All the following are from within the past week:

Brexit poses a serious and imminent threat to Ireland's economic prosperity

http://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/ireland-is-facing-a-serious-and-imminent-threat-from-brexit-35615951.html

Ireland's economy, which has been the best performing in the EU for the last three years, is widely considered the most vulnerable among the the bloc's 27 remaining members to Brexit due to its close trading links with its nearest neighbour.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-ireland-economy-idUKKBN17D2K1

Ireland will now be very exposed. By population Ireland is 20th out of the EU27, hovering beside Slovenia and the Baltic States. It has no natural allies in the EU and indeed, as the Apple tax furore showed, Ireland has quite a few governments hostile to its quasi-tax haven status. Over 40,000 jobs are reckoned to be directly at threat if the UK exits the Single Market. Up to 100,000 small dairy and beef farmers will see a significant reduction in their income, especially if the UK negotiates access to cheaper tariff-free produce from further abroad.
Ireland’s fate again lies in British hands.

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/brexit-the-irish-will-suffer

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Is anyone surprised that an EU Brexit official would make such claims?
And that is all these are BTW; claims.
Especially an Irish EU official; Ireland, who are worried about the consequences to them of Brexit?
This is nothing more than an attempt to ease Ireland's own fears IMHO.

All the following are from within the past week:


http://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/ireland-is-facing-a-serious-and-imminent-threat-from-brexit-35615951.html


http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-ireland-economy-idUKKBN17D2K1


https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/brexit-the-irish-will-suffer

The Irish Times is correct.

Brussels is contemplating another way to keep U.K. trade going with the EU after Brexit that would also keep Britain under the EU umbrella — go the way of Norway..

..“It’s an interim solution that causes the smallest possible disturbance for business on both sides of the Channel,” one European diplomat added. Like Norway, the U.K. would not be part of the customs union, which means it could strike its own trade deals with countries around the world.

http://www.politico.eu/article/eu-brussels-suggests-norway-model-for-uk-after-brexit-talks-negotiations/?utm_content=buffer02a65&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Would May and folks that post here go for it though ?

prosaver

Mr John Callinan - Assistant Secretary, Department of an Taoiseach

Head of Economic, International and Northern Ireland Division, Department of the Taoiseach.

Mr Callinan has been Head of the Economic, International and Northern Ireland Division since October 2011, having previously headed the European Union and International Affairs Division following his appointment as Assistant Secretary in June 2007. Prior to this Mr. Callinan held a number of senior positions in the Department of the Taoiseach, including as Principal Officer in charge of the Economic Policy Section. He also spent four years at the European Commission working on taxation issues and has also held a number of posts at the Office of the Revenue Commissioners.

ref http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/eng/Work_Of_The_Department/Economic_Division/Biography_of_Assistant_Secretary_John_Callinan.html
sour grapes, why would he say that? IMHO

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Would May and folks that post here go for it though ?

You need to read the article fully.

it would require the U.K. to accept the four founding EU freedoms of goods, services, people and capital.

Britain would also have to continue paying Brussels in exchange for access to the EU market.

The U.K. also would have to fully implement EU laws and regulations — while losing any say in drafting or vetoing them.

The UK leaving the EU is going to create change. Has to. As impossible for the existing status quo to be maintained. Fiscally the wealthier nations will have to contribute more.