If we vote for Brexit what happens

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

Lets be a little smarter and get companies back into schools engaging with potential future employees

But industry isn't the same as it was 50 years ago. Not that many companies are looking for lifetime staff where all you need to do is turn up, thus there's not many that can actually do much school level engagement.

I mean, take shipbuilding - you'd be hiring hundreds annually, so it made sense to work with schools and provide training because once hired they'd likely work for you forever, and you'd have work for them forever. You'd then probably do the same with their kids when they leave school.

Now, you'd likely hire someone with shortish notice (nimble tiger economy?), squeeze in some training and then hope they stay with you for long enough. They get another offer, move on, rinse and repeat.

wotsthat

Conrad wrote: »

This is the classic council of despair approach, I do not accept we have to allow people to wallow on benefits.

Me neither but, in today's economy, you're unemployed because you don't really want to work. I think it's a myth there's a rich seam of talent that could be mined if only the foreigners would do one.

Conrad wrote: »

Also companies were disincentivised from training thanks to immigrant labour on tap (which has had a huge negative effect on places such as Lithuania emptied of their young dynamic people).

I know quite a few Lithuanians from packing crews. Hard workers but it took literally 10 minutes to train them how to pack product. Brits don't even apply for the jobs.

Thrugelmir

wotsthat wrote: »

Would you want to employ someone who, in a time of record employment, would prefer to live on benefits, lie in and drink beer?

Economic immigrants are in the main over qualified for the jobs they take on. Leaving no where for the unskilled to go.

davomcdave

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Economic immigrants are in the main over qualified for the jobs they take on. Leaving no where for the unskilled to go.

Generally people would rather employ people qualified for a job rather than overqualified because someone overqualified will quit for a better job whereas someone qualified for a job, especially a low skill one, will keep on doing it.

If you have kids then you're unlikely to come out much ahead by getting a job as opposed to simply signing on. I can't say I blame people that can only earn the minimum wage for simply signing on.

System

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Do you think said prospective employee would not be prepared to work in order to earn their wages rather than risk destitution when said benefits, lie-ins and beer are removed as options?

No. But as he voted brexit he's going to be very angry that his lifestyle choice was removed

wotsthat

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Economic immigrants are in the main over qualified for the jobs they take on. Leaving no where for the unskilled to go.

The poor little things. 12 years of the best education the world has to offer and they're less qualified to pack chocolates into gift packs than a Lithuanian whose only skill was to have the gumption to jump into a minibus with his mates and head for the UK.

wotsthat

davomcdave wrote: »

If you have kids then you're unlikely to come out much ahead by getting a job as opposed to simply signing on. I can't say I blame people that can only earn the minimum wage for simply signing on.

It's just maths. (Although there are many reasons to work even if it's only marginal money-wise.)

If the maths changes then behaviour might change. Benefits could be cut and some people would grudgingly enter the workforce. Cut the pool of prospective employees and wages might rise and they enter the workforce with a spring in their steps.

However, the consumer decides and, already, quite a few on here have decided they don't really like the taste of strawberries much after all implying that the foreigners won't be replaced by Brits anyway.

mrginge

davomcdave wrote: »

Generally people would rather employ people qualified for a job rather than overqualified because someone overqualified will quit for a better job whereas someone qualified for a job, especially a low skill one, will keep on doing it.

Low skilled jobs will have high turnover rates regardless. Such is the nature of the work.

Someone over qualified who does the job well for 6-12 months is worth more than someone who doesn't really give a toss and still leaves after 6-12 months.

And the pay is the same regardless.

Moby

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/13/european-couple-stunned-as-uk-born-children-denied-residency It's going to get dirty. British people living in the EU must be feeling pretty vulnerable now!

Conrad

Separately on Thursday, a report published by the Federation of Small Businesses showed that confidence among the UK's small firms had risen to the highest level in over a year despite spiralling business costs.
The FSB said that confidence was largely being driven by increased international trade

A net balance of 15.6 per cent of small firms reported a rise in export activity during the past three months, with a net balance of 30.5 per cent expecting international sales to increase over the next quarter

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uk-investors-cash-new-businesses-startups-smes-iw-capital-a7681931.html