If we vote for Brexit what happens

A_Medium_Size_Jock

wotsthat wrote: »

Isn't the point that the UK is already highly reliant on migrant workers when some think Brexit is going to lead to growth in the economy? i.e. more staff will be needed when the government is going to be under pressure to reduce immigration.

We could suggest that the government are best placed to decide which workers to give work permits to but some, you included, have consistently highlighted how growth in the UK is higher than that in Europe. That's based on nothing more complicated than free movement with employers free to choose who they employ



Aren't we lucky being able to take it easy and let foreign workers pick up the slack.

Oh, do you not think then that at least part of this planned growth you suggest post-Brexit can be provided by these UK workers increasing their working hours?
Would this then not also increase the productivity of the UK, as has been discussed before in this thread?

We may have (in the past) been "lucky in getting foreign workers to take up the slack" as you phrase it but perhaps the times they are a-changeing:

In-work benefits reduce = more working hours needed by former recipients = increase in average hours worked = increased productivity = decreased need for migrant workers.
That's how.

wotsthat

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Oh, do you not think then that at least part of this planned growth you suggest post-Brexit can be provided by these UK workers increasing their working hours?
Would this then not also increase the productivity of the UK, as has been discussed before in this thread?

We may have (in the past) been "lucky in getting foreign workers to take up the slack" as you phrase it but perhaps the times they are a-changeing:

In-work benefits reduce = more working hours needed by former recipients = increase in average hours worked = increased productivity = decreased need for migrant workers.
That's how.

That works if you subscribe to the theory that foreigners are stealing our jobs, hours women etc. and Brits with time on their hands are chomping at the bit to work an extra 10 hours a week.

It doesn't pass the sniff test.

I can see why companies like Pret are bricking it.

prosaver

Theres still 1.5 million on the dole, let go down to jaywick and other areas and get a few outta bed , im sure theyvwill be happy to get re trained , more beer money and nights out.
Cant be relying on imigrants as most send their earnings/ tax credits family allowance home to their families and stunts economical grow.
A local person will spend all his money here 100% ,
plus will will save money as reducing unemployment benifits and the gov deficit will go down ..:beer::beer:
Everyones a winner.

Conrad

prosaver wrote: »

If Cameron had actually ordered a report that reduced uncertainty and objectively laid out how things would be expected to proceed from a rational perspective it would have eaten into the Remain's campaign.
Cameron not preparing as such was a campaign strategy to fuel uncertainty


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This is something I tried in vain to get through to Remainers during the referendum debates


Remain assumed we'd just sit like jellyfish on a tide of indifference not responding to events, for example that the BOE would just sit and watch bad stuff unfold.


It frustrated the heck out of me that Remainers made such silly assumptions




Many of them still suffer this sense of us being impotent victims of circumstance, when for example they want to wave the white flag every time Brussels utters an opening position statement.

Conrad

prosaver wrote: »

Theres still 1.5 million on the dole, let go down to jaywick and other areas and get a few outta bed , im sure theyvwill be happy to get re trained , more beer money and nights out.
Cant be relying on imigrants as most send their earnings/ tax credits family allowance home to their families and stunts economical grow.
A local person will spend all his money here 100% ,
plus will will save money as reducing unemployment benifits and the gov deficit will go down ..:beer::beer:
Everyones a winner.

Oh no that's far too much common sense, haven't you heard, British people wont work, and must be handed benefits. Thank goodness this is not the dark days of 2003 when no fruit was picked, no old bums got wiped and the NHS did not function, prior to Blair opening the floodgates wide to ex Soviet states to rescue us from our laziness

wotsthat

prosaver wrote: »

Theres still 1.5 million on the dole, let go down to jaywick and other areas and get a few outta bed , im sure theyvwill be happy to get re trained , more beer money and nights out.
Cant be relying on imigrants as most send their earnings/ tax credits family allowance home to their families and stunts economical grow.
A local person will spend all his money here 100% ,
plus will will save money as reducing unemployment benifits and the gov deficit will go down ..:beer::beer:
Everyones a winner.

Would you want to employ someone who, in a time of record employment, would prefer to live on benefits, lie in and drink beer?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

wotsthat wrote: »

Would you want to employ someone who, in a time of record employment, would prefer to live on benefits, lie in and drink beer?

Do you think said prospective employee would not be prepared to work in order to earn their wages rather than risk destitution when said benefits, lie-ins and beer are removed as options?

Herzlos

You are assuming, of course, that of those 1.5 million, a significant proportion are happy to live on almost nothing, because they can avoid work and drink beer all day.

Whilst there's a non-zero number of them, how many of them are genuinely unable to work (for instance, living nowhere near these factories, or not having the required skills or health/mobility)?

Conrad

wotsthat wrote: »

Would you want to employ someone who, in a time of record employment, would prefer to live on benefits, lie in and drink beer?

This is the classic council of despair approach, I do not accept we have to allow people to wallow on benefits. Also companies were disincentivised from training thanks to immigrant labour on tap (which has had a huge negative effect on places such as Lithuania emptied of their young dynamic people).


Lets be a little smarter and get companies back into schools engaging with potential future employees

wotsthat

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Do you think said prospective employee would not be prepared to work in order to earn their wages rather than risk destitution when said benefits, lie-ins and beer are removed as options?

When facing destitution who wouldn't be prepared to work but that misses the point.

Two people turn up for a job.

One is enthusiastic, eager to work longer hours, and excited about the prospect of living and working in the UK. The other prefers to lie in and drink beer but has to work or face benefit cuts.

You're happy to see the proportion of potential employees in the latter group increase. I have no idea why other than you believe the current unemployed are simply waiting for the foreigners to clear off and their benefits to be cut before marching enthusiastically into the workplace.