If we vote for Brexit what happens

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The Irish Times is correct. http://www.politico.eu/article/eu-brussels-suggests-norway-model-for-uk-after-brexit-talks-negotiations/?utm_content=buffer02a65&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Would May and folks that post here go for it though ?

Thrugelmir beat me too it.

A more accurate headline in The Irish Times might instead be:
"EU realises that "Hard Brexit" would be a huge mistake, official says."

gfplux

wotsthat wrote: »

When facing destitution who wouldn't be prepared to work but that misses the point.

Two people turn up for a job.

One is enthusiastic, eager to work longer hours, and excited about the prospect of living and working in the UK. The other prefers to lie in and drink beer but has to work or face benefit cuts.

You're happy to see the proportion of potential employees in the latter group increase. I have no idea why other than you believe the current unemployed are simply waiting for the foreigners to clear off and their benefits to be cut before marching enthusiastically into the workplace.

How many times have we heard from employers of the greater work ethic of immigrant workers.
Surely no one believes that getting rid of immigrants will lead to higher productivity by employing the presently unemployed.
As an immigrant myself I do Have some understanding of the pressures of working and living in a foreign country and the desire to succeed.

The British Government has had the opportunity for many years to get the "idle" (as they have been called by some posters) into work and have not succeeded. The belief that a post Brexit Government will find the magic formula to make it happen is wishful thinking at best.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

gfplux wrote: »

How many times have we heard from employers of the greater work ethic of immigrant workers.
Surely no one believes that getting rid of immigrants will lead to higher productivity by employing the presently unemployed.
As an immigrant myself I do Have some understanding of the pressures of working and living in a foreign country and the desire to succeed.

But who do you think is proposing getting rid of migrant workers?
Show us?
Oh and it is not me, in case you were about to suggest that.

I suggest restriction based upon need and perhaps a point system but preferably a job before entry into our country.
We are at as near as heck full employment; we do not therefore need bussloads, train loads or plane loads more arriving without a job to come to.
Wherever they are from.

As for your supposed "greater work ethic of immigrant workers" i could tell you many tales of the opposite.
But that would be ineffectual and probably be received as argumentative or angry or .........

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Thrugelmir beat me too it.

A more accurate headline in The Irish Times might instead be:
"EU realises that "Hard Brexit" would be a huge mistake, official says."

I was more thinking along the lines if May and posters here/voters in general would actually accept the Norway model EEA/EFTA now at this stage of the game. Which of course is essentially a soft Brexit retaining FOM, Single Market membership, paying into the pot etc etc.

And I did read the article fully before posting it. I wasn't interested in what the EU are going to go for. I was more interested in what the UK and May would see as acceptable should the Norway option be offered as an option.

Would it be ? Acceptable ?

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I was more thinking along the lines if May and posters here/voters in general would actually accept the Norway model EEA/EFTA now at this stage of the game. Which of course is essentially a soft Brexit retaining FOM, Single Market membership, paying into the pot etc etc.

And I did read the article fully before posting it. I wasn't interested in what the EU are going to go for. I was more interested in what the UK and May would see as acceptable should the Norway option be offered as an option.

Would it be ? Acceptable ?

Seemingly there's a word not in the SNP vocabulary.

negotiation

Bargaining (give and take) process between two or more parties (each with its own aims, needs, and viewpoints) seeking to discover a common ground and reach an agreement to settle a matter of mutual concern or resolve a conflict.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I was more thinking along the lines if May and posters here/voters in general would actually accept the Norway model EEA/EFTA now at this stage of the game. Which of course is essentially a soft Brexit retaining FOM, Single Market membership, paying into the pot etc etc.

And I did read the article fully before posting it. I wasn't interested in what the EU are going to go for. I was more interested in what the UK and May would see as acceptable should the Norway option be offered as an option.

Would it be ? Acceptable ?

There are too many variables to allow a proper informed response.
Just one being that we can only answer that knowing the price involved.
It would not be acceptable IMHO if the EU demand an obscene sum (as they have of Norway).

As of today the EFTA for example has 27 Free Trade Agreements in place.
None of which have previously been EU members, obviously.
How much do these countries pay?
Are these countries expected to submit to the EU's fabled "four freedoms"?

It has to be fair you see - and the EU generally just do not do "fair".

cogito

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I was more thinking along the lines if May and posters here/voters in general would actually accept the Norway model EEA/EFTA now at this stage of the game. Which of course is essentially a soft Brexit retaining FOM, Single Market membership, paying into the pot etc etc.

And I did read the article fully before posting it. I wasn't interested in what the EU are going to go for. I was more interested in what the UK and May would see as acceptable should the Norway option be offered as an option.

Would it be ? Acceptable ?

Why would it be acceptable? The UK voted to leave the EU. The Norway model is anything but.

BobQ

Conrad wrote: »

I was wondering whether AI as it becomes more potent, will end up having a left or right wing stance, pro or anti Brexit?

Fascinating times once AI becomes very capable and inevitably comes down on the most logical side.

Sorry for this little interlude.

I suspect it will be as confused as most of the population once it has applied logic to the problem. This economic study says this..... and that economic sutudy says that.....

BobQ

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The Irish Times is correct. http://www.politico.eu/article/eu-brussels-suggests-norway-model-for-uk-after-brexit-talks-negotiations/?utm_content=buffer02a65&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Would May and folks that post here go for it though ?

Who knows. The problem is that logically a progressive withdrawal from the EU over say 10 years would probably be the least disruptive. But it will not happen for many reasons without compromise. The "hard brexit" supporters would naturally see it as a sell out, a trick and a conspiracy by the establishment to reverse the decision. Equally, the EU woukd see it as a chance to reaffirm the four freedoms, maintain UK budget conributions and a chance to undermine the decision.

The only way of selling such a plan would be if there were clear plan with definite steps that would lead to Brexit. For example immediate controls on immigration, the ability to negotiate trade deals during the exit period, a phased reduction in annual contributions. But I still cannot see the likes of Farage or Junkers allowing such an appraoch and both would see it as a sell out.

Thrugelmir

BobQ wrote: »

The problem is that logically a progressive withdrawal from the EU over say 10 years would probably be the least disruptive.

Unworkable. Uncertainty would help no one.