If we vote for Brexit what happens

Conrad

gfplux wrote: »

Yes a perfect storm which is sweeping Britain out of the EU but not solving any of the problems that there may be in Sunderland.

So Remainers have been saying, and saying, and saying again.


When's this next storm due?


Even the Remain voting CEO of Britain's Manufacturing Technology Association is reporting widespread unforeseen opportunities from his now confident members 90% of whom voted Remain


I'll ask you again in a few months where the storm is.

gfplux

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Which to be fair sounds like a nice enough idea in theory - however in reality it's just no longer workable most of the time.

That old 'command economy' model, with investment controlled by government, central planning of where the jobs will be created and when, just doesn't really work in the modern age and it's not how most jobs are created nowadays.

Central government cannot possibly predict or plan that some small business owner decided in January to invest a low 6 figure sum in their SME business in the highlands and create 10 new jobs - but that stuff happens every day across the entire geography of the UK.

If central government had tried to predict back in 2007 that the biggest craft brewery in the UK creating hundreds of new jobs would exist within 5 years - would raise millions by crowd funding - and would grow out of two lads in Scotland home brewing in their garage and be based in Ellon Aberdeenshire - well - lets just say I don't fancy their chances of calling that one correctly.



Labour does follow jobs - that's the entire point of and indeed beauty of the single market.

And you just can't plan in advance where jobs are to be created and by who when such a huge majority of new jobs are created by small and medium businesses.

100,000 may well arrive without a job to go to but so what? They quickly find jobs and spread out to where the jobs are being created.

EU migrants have low unemployment, the UK has low unemployment - below the historical average - and (until the Brexit vote anyway) wages have been growing in recent years at around 2% above inflation.

In a nimble, entrepreneurial, rapidly changing employment market, you can't possibly hope to plan in advance where all the jobs will be created.

But what you can do is allocate funding to help local authority areas that are up-and-coming cope much better with infrastructure investment for rapid change - I will note that Labour for all their faults at least did try that when they were last in power and the Tories cut that scheme in the last government.

Anyway - if you want an interesting read on SME business and high growth companies expansion try this....

https://www.enterpriseresearch.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/ERC-Growth-Dashboard-Update-March-2017-Final-Version-.-28.03.2017.pdf

It's even got heat maps of where high levels of business growth occurred last year and by different type of business - small business high growth areas versus all business high growth areas, etc.

As you'll see the figures show significant growth (and thus need for employees) in vastly diverse parts of the country - and not at all focused on just a couple of areas.

I don't see at all how government can predict that in advance - nor manage that in advance - the best they can do is ensure a ready quantity of well trained labour is available in those areas, or to move to those areas, and then throw funding at infrastructure afterwards.

Than you Hamish,
All it lacks is the Governments will to think aggressively outside of the South East.

wotsthat

kabayiri wrote: »

Oh yeah. We have an EU with a budget of hundreds of billions, just so we can eat strawberries. What a lack of ambition.

If there's a need someone will invent a machine.

People used to drag ploughs around too. (If they were lucky they had a horse or two). Then someone invented a machine.

The economic migrants who come here to pick strawberries will only do it long enough to make enough money to pass the job on to some other poor schmuck. It's certainly not a career you'd pursue into your 60s.

Maybe they should expand the EU to cover the whole of Africa? It'd certainly increase the number of potential fruit pickers. :rotfl:

Do you think poor schmucks should be holding out for management positions with company cars and pensions?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

kabayiri wrote: »

Well, that's FoMIC for you.

(Freedom of Movement If Christian)

Indeed so.
As has been said before, attempting such complete integration in such a diverse group will inevitably lead to difficulties.

Did you see my post a few days ago on the Council of Europe's requirement of Ireland to (ahem) reconsider it's abortion laws?
They want Ireland to de-criminalise its abortion laws which in turn may lead to problems in this strict Catholic country:

Rules on terminating a pregnancy in once stridently Catholic Ireland are among the world's most restrictive and a referendum on widening access could be held if a citizens' assembly set up by government recommends it in a decision expected next month.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ireland-abortion-laws-council-europe-orders-to-loosen-a7658976.html

A_Medium_Size_Jock

padington wrote: »

Great a rare supportive government of ours is getting shafted, by us.

Could it be more of a mess ?

By us how?
No.
It looks like you did not read the report, where Poles suggest the EU attempt reaching an amicable agreement?
Rather by the EU, who (if you are gullible enough to fall for media suggestions) may well decide upon belligerence in dealings with Brexit.
Much as some pro-remain posters in this thread do.

Mortgagefreeman

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Why is that, Mayo?
Because the anger evident on this forum comes mostly from pro-remainers - who presumably all want to keep or even increase migration, no?
Yourself for example describing pro-Brexit supporters in a derisory manner as Pot Noodle eaters: http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=72324637&postcount=17896

He does seem to have a bit of a pot noodle fetish.

mayonnaise wrote: »

Brexiteers don't need Euros to buy pot noodles and scratchcards.

mayonnaise wrote: »

There's plenty of time between scoffing pot noodles and the next episode of Jeremy Kyle.

mayonnaise wrote: »

Agreed. A good opportunity to wean the brexit-voting toothless underclasses off their Pot Noodles and Ben&Jerry and move them onto a healthier diet of 100% British spuds, turnips and oats.
Rule Britannia!

I believe this ones his favourite.



52% sweet 48% sour. :rotfl:

padington

What a mess

posh*spice

Moby wrote: »

You couldn't make it up could you! We've chosen to turn our back on our closest allies for a very uncertain future fraught with dangers and uncertainties. We had a balancing, moderating role in the EU which was appreciated by the US, Canada, Australia etc. Most importantly we were at the table where the decisions in our region of the world are made. We've just walked away from it all.....so irresponsible imo! It's illogical and clearly driven by xenophobia!

And Hammond is in India, a country which invests more in Britain than the whole of the EU put together... But I guess Indians aren't white enough for you - so really who's xenophobic?

posh*spice

padington wrote: »

What a mess

How so? Evidence?

Arklight

posh*spice wrote: »

And Hammond is in India, a country which invests more in Britain than the whole of the EU put together... But I guess Indians aren't white enough for you - so really who's xenophobic?

Eh?

https://en.portal.santandertrade.com/establish-overseas/united-kingdom/foreign-investment