If we vote for Brexit what happens

Arklight

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Everything is being linked to Brexit. When in fact many things would/will have happened without Brexit. What the talks will highlight. Is the fundamental difference in opinions on many topics between the various parties, and why the UK has never fully integrated into the EU. Nor forget that the bigger picture is constantly changing. The West may have dominated for centuries. But it's influence is progressively eroding.

England's historical position on Europe has always been try and drive a wedge between the European powers to stop any one becoming powerful enough to be a challenge.

Considering how many times England was invaded prior to 1066 it's not surprising perhaps. But 1000 years have passed now and our ability to stop Europe becoming a super state has now been voted away.

We don't have any ability to project power outside our own region anymore, and our ability to influence our near abroad is now vastly reduced. At best we will have no say over the EU and at worst it will have much more of a say over us.

It should be ringing alarm bells in the Brexit camp that very few people who are actually young enough to carve out this bold new international future away from the EU have any interest whatsoever in doing so.

kabayiri

Arklight wrote: »

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We don't have any ability to project power outside our own region anymore, and our ability to influence our near abroad is now vastly reduced. At best we will have no say over the EU and at worst it will have much more of a say over us.
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Or...in 2025 we will look back on Brexit the same way that today we look back on the biggest financial global crash in 300 years, just 8 years ago.

Yes, it was difficult. Yes, we got through it. Yes, life goes on.

StevieJ

davomcdave wrote: »

Similarly, why the hell would any Brit want to pick strawberries in the rain at 4am? It's horrible, backbreaking work. Yeah it's fun with the kids for 30 minutes at the local pick your own just before lunch but really? Who here has even done a day's work picking fruit let alone relied on it to pay the bills? I sure as heck haven't and nor do I plan to. Forget that.

In the old days, as a kid, I used to pick Potatoes and Beetroot for extra pocket money, joined by married women without a job. Never saw an adult male bending their backs :-)

Arklight

kabayiri wrote: »

Or...in 2025 we will look back on Brexit the same way that today we look back on the biggest financial global crash in 300 years, just 8 years ago.

Yes, it was difficult. Yes, we got through it. Yes, life goes on.

That's a poor analogy.

We haven't got through the financial crash at all. Wages haven't recovered, the national debt is colossal, we are deep into austerity with no end in sight and the best the government can boast is that the deficit is marginally less than last year.

And this is on top of a 25% fall in the value of sterling directly thanks to Brexit.

The last thing this country needs is another massive trauma.

setmefree2

INDIA invested more than EU in BRITAIN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2zrwwk4omc

setmefree2

Indian business welcomes UK trade deal

A bilateral trade agreement between the UK and India would be a deal “made in heaven” and would pave the way for increased trade in the wake of Britain leaving the EU, the head of India’s business group has said.

Naushad Forbes, president of the Confederation of Indian Industry, said that talks over an India-EU trade agreement, which had lasted for nine years, were being held up by concerns about European exports of wine and cars.

But he said those difficulties delaying the EU deal would be removed if the UK negotiated its own arrangement, which it would be free to do after leaving the EU.

“It would be an agreement that would be almost made in heaven,” he said.

The director-general of the CII, Chandrajit Banerjee, also told the Financial Times that he predicted such a deal could be reached in “not more than 12 months” once negotiations were started.

Leading a trade delegation of Indian businesses in the UK, Mr Forbes said: “India invests more in the UK than the rest of the EU combined . . . The Indian UK relationship is going to sustain, with or without the UK-EU relationship.”

https://www.ft.com/content/2e0eb278-4372-11e6-b22f-79eb4891c97d

setmefree2

At least for the time being, Indian companies invest more in the UK than they do in the rest of the EU combined

http://www.grantthornton.co.uk/globalassets/1.-member-firms/united-kingdom/pdf/publication/2016/india-meets-britain-2016-report.pdf

kabayiri

Arklight wrote: »

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The last thing this country needs is another massive trauma.

I would agree on timing, which was determined purely on political grounds.

I would say the same thing about another Scottish independence referendum, which could be driven by poor timing.

But...we will get through it.

Arklight

StevieJ wrote: »

In the old days, as a kid, I used to pick Potatoes and Beetroot for extra pocket money, joined by married women without a job. Never saw an adult male bending their backs :-)

There are plenty of fruit picking and very low tech agrarian industries in the South East that rely on immigrant labour.

Where do you think all that dried oregano and bags of pre-cut Tesco salad come from? As someone who did those jobs as a student in the pre-immigrant 90s I got a first hand understanding of how hard this kind of labour is.

One September the employment agency guy said "all the employers around here go into mourning in September when you lot go back to college."

It wasn't because of a lack of labour. There were plenty of unemployed men left over from the Tories' first decimation of skilled manual labour in the 80s, who if forced by the Jobcentre would resentfully show up and lean on a broom for £2.15 an hour. But there was no one other than the students who would actually do the work.

All that will happen if we stop low wage immigration is that the jobs will go, and pre-bagged salad will go back to being a luxury that rich people have.

setmefree2

India is the third largest investor in the UK, while Indian companies invest more in the UK than the rest of the EU combined. Each country is vital ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/11/07/britain-and-india-are-eager-for-a-warm-post-brexit-embrace/