If we vote for Brexit what happens

Filo25

Arklight wrote: »

Do you think immigration will fall after Brexit? Even the Tories are warning not expect a fall in migrants. Theresa May was uninterested in reducing migrant numbers when she was Home Secretary, and beyond soundbites - doesn't appear to have any fresh ideas now.

There is no will in the establishment to curtail the movement of low wage labour, because it depresses wages.

Probably a bit more from non-EU countries ( more liberal visa terms will be a price for doing trade deals with some of them), and a bit less from the EU (I suspect we'll still have relative freedom of movement there but some restrictions on claiming benefits, free healthcare, etc, which will probably see fewer low skilled permanent migrants).

All in all it probably won't change too much, but there'll be a few soundbites to appease those who get more vitriolic on the topic for a while.

Conrad

Tromking wrote: »

Go figure!

https://www.rt.com/business/383198-central-banks-euro-pound/

See Remoaners, told you the UK would seem a beacon safe haven compared to lumbering EU;


Central Banks ditching the Euro in favour of Sterling;
The results were compiled by the Central Banking trade publication and HSBC.
It shows that bankers from around the world see the UK as a safer prospect for their reserve investments than the Eurozone. They favour the British currency as a long-term, stable alternative, despite uncertainty over Brexit which was formally triggered last week by the PM Theresa May.

Sterling has been strengthening versus the euro since the triggering of Article 50 on Wednesday. The pound has gained 2.63 percent resulting in an exchange rate of 1.1785 from 1.1483 previously.

The UK’s decision to quit the EU has not affected the popularity of sterling as an investment currency so far, the poll showed.
Seventy-one percent of respondents said the attractiveness of the pound was undimmed in the longer term.


Research also shows the stability of the Eurozone was this year’s greatest fear for the 80 central banks.

kabayiri

Arklight wrote: »

Do you think immigration will fall after Brexit? Even the Tories are warning not expect a fall in migrants. Theresa May was uninterested in reducing migrant numbers when she was Home Secretary, and beyond soundbites - doesn't appear to have any fresh ideas now.
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Numbers of migrants..

It's a stupid measure, and alas the politicians are quite happy to throw numbers back and forward at each other.

Despite net migration of 300K+ consistently being recorded in recent years, we are still thousands short in areas such as nurses; midwives; production engineers. We are also aware of major drops in the numbers of GPs in the coming years, yet nobody correlates this rising demand with the numbers coming in to fill these positions.

When do we start looking at quality over quantity?

I don't care that we have seen a twenty fold increase in places selling me coffee. I don't care that there are now 6 people washing my car instead of one man operating the car wash.

We need to focus on continual productivity improvement, and within this labour efficiency.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Arklight wrote: »

I have no problem with controlling immigration. Many on the Brexit side however seem to be very confused as to the difference between the legal migration of low skilled workers from Eastern Europe, and illegal immigration.

Illegal immigrants have no residence status, can't claim welfare benefits or housing, or get an NI number. They are almost certainly not European citizens, nor are they asylum seekers. Their numbers are only ever going to be a best guess and Brexit will make no difference to them.

Show me where anyone "on the Brexit side" as you phrase it is confused between legal migration and illegal migration, no matter where from?
You are about to make yourself look very foolish if you suggest I did as that is very clearly not so.

Brexit may however indeed only make negligible difference to illegal migration - other perhaps than making it more difficult to arrive via the Schengen routes since there should be no fast check for Europeans at our borders.
Fortunately laws have already been strengthened in the respect that landlords must now ensure that tenants are entitled to live and work in the UK; there is talk of raising current policing of this in the summer and new maximum sentence of up to five years.
https://www.gov.uk/penalties-illegal-renting

As I say in earlier posts, a points-type system with requirement of a job offer before entering the UK is far preferable to a free-for-all.

mayonnaise

People who oppose UK immigration are less happy than those who support it, research shows

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-immigration-people-opposed-less-happy-than-those-who-support-it-research-a7664561.html

Would go a long way explaining the anger expressed by the usual suspects on this forum.

Conrad

mayonnaise wrote: »

People who oppose UK immigration are less happy than those who support it, research shows

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-immigration-people-opposed-less-happy-than-those-who-support-it-research-a7664561.html

Would go a long way explaining the anger expressed by the usual suspects on this forum.

Remind me which party is renowned for hate mail / tweets / bricks through windows / threats etc? Corbynites for example hounding Blairite female MPs

It is patently the case that LBC's lefty liberal presenters are far more prone to fume and moan and treat callers with distain and arrogance compared with the right wing presenters.


Farage and Dale are relaxed and take things in their stride - Farage even thanks discourteous callers - lefties like O'Brien cannot stand alternate views, talk over callers, fade them out etc - always fuming about social justice

What types of person spit at delegates entering annual Political Party conferences? Always venomous Momentum lefties.


Who shouts and jeers more on Question Time - generaly the lefties in the audience shouting 'shame' and making shrill over-emotional points


Righties IMO are far more sanguine and relaxed as a general rule

StevieJ

This board used to be pretty good, with many contributors and a variety of topics. It now seems to have turned into a 'one trick pony' sad really.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

mayonnaise wrote: »

Would go a long way explaining the anger expressed by the usual suspects on this forum.

Why is that, Mayo?
Because the anger evident on this forum comes mostly from pro-remainers - who presumably all want to keep or even increase migration, no?
Yourself for example describing pro-Brexit supporters in a derisory manner as Pot Noodle eaters: http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=72324637&postcount=17896
Arklight describing Brexiters as rats.
Hamish as Nazis.

Buy okay, carry on in that little, blinkered imaginary world ....... I suspect you miss the support of Toastie.

wotsthat

You know you're dealing with snowflakes when offence is taken at being accused of consuming Pot Noodles.

Moby

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/04/uk-jobs-merkel-juncker-euro-clearing-eu-manfred-weber-brexit Times are a changing..........we're clearly giving the Germans complete Carte Blanche in Europe now.