If we vote for Brexit what happens

posh*spice

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

The UK buys just 7% of EU exports - worth about 3% of EU GDP.

That can be replaced without lasting harm.

The EU on the other hand buys 45% of UK exports.... That's an existential threat to large sections of the UK economy.

Our hand is weak - and everyone knows it.

Who cares? There is more to life than money. Some of us value other things - like freedom, liberty and self- determination. If in the end we are more independent and there is a dip in GDP I can live with that.

Ballard

posh*spice wrote: »

Who cares? There is more to life than money. Some of us value other things - like freedom, liberty and self- determination. If in the end we are more independent and there is a dip in GDP I can live with that.

Putting aside the contentious issue of whether Brexit will bring a reduction in GDP, I have to question why someone wouldn't be bothered living in a poorer country. Things like the NHS, roads & schools are all paid for through taxation. Less money in the country means less money to spend. Each to their own, I suppose.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Ballard wrote: »

Putting aside the contentious issue of whether Brexit will bring a reduction in GDP, I have to question why someone wouldn't be bothered living in a poorer country. Things like the NHS, roads & schools are all paid for through taxation. Less money in the country means less money to spend. Each to their own, I suppose.

And yet you did not consider this in all the time that the has UK paid the EU countless billions - which have gone in large part towards funding poorer EU member countries rather than "the NHS, roads & schools"?

prosaver

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

And yet you did not consider this in all the time that the has UK paid the EU countless billions - which have gone in large part towards funding poorer EU member countries rather than "the NHS, roads & schools"?

we got worse and they got better,
and the funny thing is,
they come over here, cant see the point in it:p

prosaver

Nick Clegg and his wife Miriam take the riverboat to Westminster on his first day back at work after their holiday in Spain
Credit: Stefan Rousseau/PA Wire/Press Association Images (old Quote)
Asked whether he would be refusing to holiday in Spain [over the Gibraltar row]((http://www.itv.com/news/story/2013-07-28/gilbraltar-spain-border-tensions), the Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg said: "I have been going for 25 years...I have no intention of boycotting my in-laws' holiday with my children."

Ha ha reminds me of Les Dawson...
I could tell my mother in Law . was walking up the garden path, the mice were throwing themselves on the traps

Thrugelmir

Ballard wrote: »

Putting aside the contentious issue of whether Brexit will bring a reduction in GDP,

GDP doesn't equate to profit, wages , value of pension funds though. It's an abstract figure that politicians love to bandy around. Better we focus on tangible measurements. Rather than the value of a Rolls Royce which happens to have diamonds in the dash board and the roof lining, and gets exported to a member state in the EU.

Ballard

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

And yet you did not consider this in all the time that the has UK paid the EU countless billions - which have gone in large part towards funding poorer EU member countries rather than "the NHS, roads & schools"?

We have opposing views on the EU. I happen to think that things like free trade and cooperation have meant that the expense of the EU has been worth it but we won't agree on this.

Ballard

Thrugelmir wrote: »

GDP doesn't equate to profit, wages , value of pension funds though. It's an abstract figure that politicians love to bandy around. Better we focus on tangible measurements. Rather than the value of a Rolls Royce which happens to have diamonds in the dash board and the roof lining, and gets exported to a member state in the EU.

It doesn't equate per se but it is indicative. In any case, I was responding to a poster who had said that they didn't care whether we would be a poorer nation.

davomcdave

Thrugelmir wrote: »

GDP doesn't equate to profit, wages , value of pension funds though. It's an abstract figure that politicians love to bandy around. Better we focus on tangible measurements. Rather than the value of a Rolls Royce which happens to have diamonds in the dash board and the roof lining, and gets exported to a member state in the EU.

GDP does equate to profit and wages! GDP = National Income + Sales Taxes + Depreciation + Net income from abroad. National Income = Wages + Profits + Rent + Interest. By far the biggest part of GDP when measured using the income method is wages and profits.

GDP does not equate to the value of pension funds though.

GDP is a very tangible measurement, it's probably the most tangible measurement economists use in most countries (tax havens like Ireland and the Netherlands excepted).

Arklight

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Why should you care when you have already Brexited to Luxembourg and vowed never to return?
Are you just trolling from an "I'm all right Jack" position?
Is it your idea of an "April Fool"?

Regardless, here is some of the latest data from YouGov:
All freely available on YouGov site https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/03/29/attitudes-brexit-everything-we-know-so-far/

So from those we can clearly see that so far the majority still agree to respect the democratic wishes of the voting majority.

People have been campaigning for many years to remove the threat of nuclear weapons (i.e.CND).
People have been campaigning for years to save the Arctic (i.e. Greenpeace).
People campaign for a huge variety of things in fact.

Maybe it is time you realised that just because you campaign does NOT mean that you will get what you want.
Because a voting or at least participating majority of people must also want the same before that can happen.
And as with all these examples as well as with Brexit, that has not happened.

It's going to be quite difficult for you when Scotland becomes independent and immediately rejoins the EU, isn't it?