If we vote for Brexit what happens

A_Medium_Size_Jock

gfplux wrote: »

Why should Remainders except the result.
Brexiteers have been campaigning during the last +40 years to get Britain out of the EU. Why would they be concerned if Remainders continue to campaign to stay in.

Why should you care when you have already Brexited to Luxembourg and vowed never to return?
Are you just trolling from an "I'm all right Jack" position?
Is it your idea of an "April Fool"?

Regardless, here is some of the latest data from YouGov:

overall the public think Brexit should go ahead by 69% to 21%

Only 21% want to see the referendum result ignored or overturned

there is not presently much demand for any sort of second vote or second referendum

if there was a second referendum tomorrow the result would probably be much the same as it was last year.

In her January speech Theresa May said that “no deal was better than a bad deal” and by 48% to 17% the public say they agree. 55% said Britain should be prepared to walk away without a deal compared to 24% who think we should do whether it takes to get a deal.

All freely available on YouGov site https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/03/29/attitudes-brexit-everything-we-know-so-far/

So from those we can clearly see that so far the majority still agree to respect the democratic wishes of the voting majority.

People have been campaigning for many years to remove the threat of nuclear weapons (i.e.CND).
People have been campaigning for years to save the Arctic (i.e. Greenpeace).
People campaign for a huge variety of things in fact.

Maybe it is time you realised that just because you campaign does NOT mean that you will get what you want.
Because a voting or at least participating majority of people must also want the same before that can happen.
And as with all these examples as well as with Brexit, that has not happened.

cogito

davomcdave wrote: »

Yes they did. The Treaty of Rome is very clear.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv%3Axy0023

It even contains the phrase 'ever closer union'. If you sign up to ever closer union then you are signing up to a union whose aim is to get ever closer. I'm not sure why you would expect anything else.

Yes, the Treaty of Rome is so clear that the likes of Heath and Wilson either had to lie about it or hadn't read it themselves. Taking the UK into the Common Market was the biggest deception that politicians have ever made against the British people. All that we ever heard was that we were not conceding any sovereignty to Brussels. Goebbels technique of the big lie.

cogito

And still the EU want to control us. If press reports are correct, they want to control our taxation policy in return for a deal on trade and to include the future of Gibraltar in the discussions.

I think we should refer them to the reply given in the case of Arkell v Pressdram.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Germany is facing trouble with it's approval yesterday to impose tolls on German autobahns in what neighbouring countries see as discrimination and bending of EU rules:

The price for an annual pass will be capped at 130 euros for German and foreign cars, but German-registered drivers will essentially be refunded the money thanks to a matching reduction on their motor vehicle tax bill.
Berlin's plans have angered neighbouring Austria, Belgium and the Netherlands which see the toll as a levy on foreign cars only.

https://www.thelocal.de/20170331/austria-says-it-will-take-germany-to-court-over

Yet another example of inequalities within the EU?

davomcdave

cogito wrote: »

And still the EU want to control us. If press reports are correct, they want to control our taxation policy in return for a deal on trade and to include the future of Gibraltar in the discussions.

I think we should refer them to the reply given in the case of Arkell v Pressdram.

LOL. You really do need to get over this idea that there is something exceptional about Britain.

If you cut off all trade with Europe then what are you going to eat next winter?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

davomcdave wrote: »

LOL. You really do need to get over this idea that there is something exceptional about Britain.

If you cut off all trade with Europe then what are you going to eat next winter?

LOL.
You really need to get over the idea that there is something exceptional about the EU.

Who said anything about cutting off all trade with Europe?
And does nowhere else in the world want to sell what the UK wants to eat?
Who starved when Spain could not supply quite a variety of produce just a month ago?

Thrugelmir

davomcdave wrote: »

LOL. You really do need to get over this idea that there is something exceptional about Britain.

If you cut off all trade with Europe then what are you going to eat next winter?

Who are the Irish, French and Spanish going to sell their produce to?

Thrugelmir

cogito wrote: »

And still the EU want to control us. If press reports are correct, they want to control our taxation policy in return for a deal on trade and to include the future of Gibraltar in the discussions.

The discussion appears to have become extremely political very quickly rather than just pragmatic. Perhaps Mrs May's inner knowledge of the EU states was behind her initial hard Brexit statement. In that we may all be European but hold very differing views.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

A very interesting piece in The Economist on why a trade deal will probably be reached, written by a Swede:

First, a declaration: I didn’t want Britain to leave the EU. I’m a Swede running a free-trade thinktank in Brussels and can tell you that the UK’s absence will be sorely felt by all of its allies. A great many governments will feel the same, but to deny Britain a free-trade agreement would be an extraordinary act of self-harm, for all sides.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/04/britain-and-the-eu-probably-will-reach-a-trade-deal-heres-why/#

HornetSaver

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Who are the Irish, French and Spanish going to sell their produce to?

I suspect the list will include the Irish, French and Spanish.