If we vote for Brexit what happens

A_Medium_Size_Jock

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

They've been stalled for decades.

Turkey has so far managed to meet only a tiny fraction of the joining requirements.

So yes they'd still be stalled and the events of the last year have only re-emphasised just how right those of us who said Turkey was nowhere near joining were.

There was never any prospect of Turkey joining the EU any time soon - and the Brexiteers deliberate scaremongering on this topic were frankly ludicrous.

Utter rubbish combined with your usual misdirection IMHO.

You deny the EU dangled a carrot of visa-free travel for Turks?
How about the 3 billion Euro deal on migrants - part of the deal being Greece's repatriation to Turkey of "irregular migrants"?
Tell us how many have been returned from Greece, Hamish?
Try convincing us that it was not just a bribe, pure and simple?

Then there's this:
You deny that (just for one example out of many) Greece did not meet many of the EU conditions of entry?
But they were allowed to join - and look how they are doing now as a result.

No, Turkey may well have been (possibly much) further ahead in negotiations had Erdogan not perceived the EU to be so weak.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

You seem very keen for the National Front to win - if your irrational hatred of the EU is so deep it has you celebrating any chance for a party that was literally founded by Nazi's to win an election in Europe - that speaks volumes...

It speaks volumes of the remarkably poor comprehension and persistent twisting of fact by posters like yourself.

No, I have never said or implied that I want the FN to win; show me where I have?
Evidence is useful in making accusations like you do.

Interesting too that you say I hate the EU and say I celebrate a party founded by Nazis!
Frankly, besides being quite incorrect that is beyond contemptible - as much of your posting is.
Which in a way pleases me.
For I must have really hit a Hamish nerve to deserve such an attack.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

This report today from the FT regarding the possibility of change in Europe, specifically Germany and France, is interesting.
" The next leaders will have to resolve the historic mess of the eurozone crisis" contains observations such as this:

Marine Le Pen remains a serious and formidable contender. Do not underestimate the leader of the National Front and do not rely too much on the polls. In Germany, the race towards the election on September 24 is a dead heat. Even the opinion polls do not tell us much: the two largest parties — Angela Merkel’s CDU/CSU and Martin Schulz’s SPD — are neck and neck.

https://www.ft.com/content/f35ff124-1093-11e7-b030-768954394623

(Search for "Martin Schulz and Emmanuel Macron could save Europe" if you find the link paywalled.)

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Interesting too that you say I hate the EU and say I celebrate a party founded by Nazis!.

Your dislike of the EU is palpable - the derogatory terminology you use when discussing it makes your opinion very clear.

You also post endlessly about how Marine Le Pen is doing - along with any other anti-EU figures - it's fairly obvious where your sympathies lie.

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

I must have really hit a Hamish nerve to deserve such an attack.

Hello pot, meet kettle....

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Given how often ^^^^ is wrong

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

More utter bull parp.

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Utter rubbish combined with your usual misdirection

cogito

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Very good news...

Indeed. Thing is that if the Italian navy and MSF weren't providing a taxi service for economic migrants, most of them wouldn't bother trying to make the crossing.

As soon as they leave Libyan waters, they are firing off distress signals.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

You post endlessly about how Marine Le Pen is doing - along with any other anti-EU figures - it's fairly obvious where your sympathies lie.




Hello pot, meet kettle....

I suggest you read the posts I make rather than skim.
Your POV regarding my posts is skewed as a result.
As such do not ever again attempt to place me in a category alongside yourself, pot, kettle or otherwise.

For example:
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=72306740&postcount=17632
A reasonably balanced POV of european views.

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=72302823&postcount=17605
A viewpoint of French from a French website openly questioning Le Pen's chances.

Unlike yourself, I at least attempt some balance.
For future reference, suggesting posters on these forums are somehow supporting Naziism is not acceptable.

Just because I do indeed have some sympathy with Europeans who also dislike some of what the EU is does not make me a Nazi sympathiser, any more than it makes these millions of both Brexit supporters and anti-EU Europeans such sympathisers.

Your colours have truly been nailed to the mast, Hamish.
They literally scream "bigot".

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

For future reference, suggesting posters on these forums are somehow supporting Naziism is not acceptable.

I haven't said you support Nazis.

I have merely noted the indisputable fact that you post endlessly about the French National front - and they were founded by actual nazis.

And also that if your hatred for the EU had you supporting or in any way celebrating a victory by FN - that would speak volumes.

If you claim not to be pleased by such an outcome - that's fine with me - and I look forward to seeing your posts celebrating the centrist non-far-right candidates doing well in the near future.

Just because I do indeed have some sympathy with Europeans who also dislike some of what the EU is

Yes we know - you strongly dislike the EU and have sympathy with other groups who dislike the EU - that's been made abundantly clear from your posting history

does not make me a Nazi sympathiser,.

Indeed.

And I haven't said you were.

As it seems you somehow missed the 'if' in that post then to quote, well, you.... "I suggest you read the posts I make rather than skim."

But it's worth pointing out that the French National Front are indeed thoroughly linked to Nazi's - and anyone celebrating or being anything other than visibly disgusted by their success in the polls should really have a long hard think about that - no matter how much they may dislike the EU the FN are worse.

Your colours have truly been nailed to the mast, Hamish.
They literally scream "bigot".

And another personal attack.... Charming.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

In Germany the regional Saarland election has resulted in a significant win for Merkel's CDU, giving a major boost to Merkel's hopes of another term as Chancellor.
Germans are, it seems, rejecting the centre-left Social Democrats.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel's party won a regional election on Sunday by a wide margin, dealing a blow to hopes of the centre-left to end her more than decade-long reign this year.

https://www.thelocal.de/20170326/merkels-party-wins-german-state-vote-by-large-margin-tv


*please note:*

Despite the delusions of some posters, this is NOT either a pro- or an anti- EU post.
It provides facts only of life elsewhere in Europe.
As I often show.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Meanwhile in France (and it's territories) this from Macron who is currently in Reunion:

French centrist candidate Emmanuel Macron, seen in polls as beating Marine Le Pen in the May 7 run-off, was in Reunion, a French overseas department in the Indian Ocean, where alongside discussing local issues, he told voters he was "not Father Christmas."
"I don't have the solution to all problems and I am not Father Christmas," the 39-year-old former economy minister and banker admitted, saying he had not come to make "promises."

https://www.thelocal.fr/20170326/heres-the-latest-in-frances-presidential-race

mayonnaise

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

I suggest you read the posts I make rather than skim.
Your POV regarding my posts is skewed as a result.
As such do not ever again attempt to place me in a category alongside yourself, pot, kettle or otherwise.

For example:
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=72306740&postcount=17632
A reasonably balanced POV of european views.

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=72302823&postcount=17605
A viewpoint of French from a French website openly questioning Le Pen's chances.

Unlike yourself, I at least attempt some balance.
For future reference, suggesting posters on these forums are somehow supporting Naziism is not acceptable.

Just because I do indeed have some sympathy with Europeans who also dislike some of what the EU is does not make me a Nazi sympathiser, any more than it makes these millions of both Brexit supporters and anti-EU Europeans such sympathisers.

Your colours have truly been nailed to the mast, Hamish.
They literally scream "bigot".

Get over yourself Jock.