If we vote for Brexit what happens

gfplux

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Your anecdotal evidence does not tally with mine.

I live in an area of high tourism and friends involved in the industry here say they are busier than than have ever been with forward bookings (mostly from outside the UK) and in fact are telling me that they are booked solid for lengthy periods.
Which ties in pretty well with official reports on tourism to the UK, BTW; for January 2017 an increase of 11% compared to last year.
Spending more too.
These official figures are more reliable than any anecdotal, yours or mine.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/businessindustryandtrade/tourismindustry

As you say you live in a Terry Prachett mythical world (East of Ankh Morpork, how terribly clever and amusing) how can we except your comments about tourism if you will not say which area you are talking about.

Moby

vivatifosi wrote: »

There was an interesting piece on Marine Le Pen on R4 the other day. They said it was hard to call as there was an extremely high number of undecided voters. Can't remember the actual number but it was something like 40%. So she has everything to play for. They also said that she was likely to win the first round, but the question is whether that will provoke a backlash and an anything but Le Pen vote in the second.

The other interesting point they made which I was totally unaware of, was the extent to which she had repositioned the Front Nationale to include in her circle gays, Jews and other groups traditionally marginalised by the Far Right. This in turn had caused some of the original FN supporters to move their support to Marianne Le Pen, her niece, whose views are more in line with those of her grandfather, Jean Marie.

Listening to that, I was left of the opinion that she could very well win, even if she wasn't yet the favourite. She does subtlety and grey areas better than other far right politicians. The commentator said that she was of the far right, but should not be thought of as a fascist, as was her father.

In shorthand.......despite being a racist she is re-positioning herself to make herself electorally more atractive to the gullible on the right....... You can vote for me because Im not quite as bad as my father. Lets call a spade a spade......Anyone who cant see through this wants her politics of hate to win and what does that say about them.;)

gfplux

setmefree2 wrote: »

Tbh and fwiw I thought French voters were more likely to stay at home when Fillon was in pole position - I think they will turn out for Macron.....

As I understand it, at the 2nd round which is assumed to be between Marine le Pen and a.n.other then there will be a big turnout for a.n.other. As always we will have to wait and see.

Moby

gfplux wrote: »

As you say you live in a Terry Prachett mythical world (East of Ankh Morpork, how terribly clever and amusing) how can we except your comments about tourism let alone anything else.

I think he's been reading Harry Potter again. No one I know In London wants Brexit........there's my anecdotal evidence

mayonnaise

Backbiter wrote: »

Reality finally dawns on ukip:
http://www.itv.com/news/wales/2017-03-24/ukip-access-to-european-single-market-critical-for-welsh-farmers-post-brexit/

You have to laugh. They now realise the damage that will come our way and urge the Government to avoid the consequences of leaving the EU:

"But we can only take advantage of this opportunity to reinvigorate our rural communities by ensuring that we, in Wales, do not lose out as a result of the vote to leave.

In the shorter term we have heard clear evidence that access to the Single Market place, continuation of financial support and assurances over migrant labour are critical priorities."

– MARK RECKLESS AM, CHAIR OF THE CLIMATE CHANGE, ENVIRONMENT AND RURAL AFFAIRS COMMITTEE

I presume their new slogan will be "Leave must not mean leave."

Hilarious. :rotfl:

Ballard

That's utter nonsense. Welsh farmers will be able to sell their lamb to the commonwealth countries. I'm sure that Nigerians will come to love the Welsh lamb thereby instantly creating a new market for mint sauce.

Backbiter

Conrad wrote: »

What point are you trying to make?

You think sending the EU a bunch of money and getting a portion of it back and told where to spend it makes sense?

We cannot be trusted with our own money, right?

I think you miss the most telling points, so here they are:
1. A UKIP Assembly member is arguing that leaving the single market will be bad for Welsh agriculture. To quote the same AM:

Given that 90 per cent of Welsh food and drink exports go to the EU, it is vital that Wales has full tariff and quota free access to the Single Market.

2. The same guy is saying that withdrawal of EU financial support for Welsh agriculture will be very damaging

Farmers in Wales should be no worse off as a result of the vote to leave.

He knows they will be when EU support ends when we leave.

the UK Government should commit to spending present levels of funding on agriculture in Wales.

He knows that it won't, as there are already so many other things the illusory £350m a week has been earmarked for
3. The same guy points out that Welsh agriculture is reliant upon migrant labour and will suffer unless it continues to have access to it

UKIP have been extolling the benefits of leaving the EU. One of its AMs now says Welsh agriculture must be protected from the consequences of leaving the EU.

Thrugelmir

Backbiter wrote: »

UKIP have been extolling the benefits of leaving the EU. One of its AMs now says Welsh agriculture must be protected from the consequences of leaving the EU.

No different to funding of UK research. There'll be numerous single issues that will require working through. Welsh hill farming has never been highly profitable when compared to the Malting Barley kings of Hampshire. If you personally want to make a difference buy the product and support UK industry.

Backbiter

And UKIP now have no MPs:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39393213

setmefree2

gfplux wrote: »

As I understand it, at the 2nd round which is assumed to be between Marine le Pen and a.n.other then there will be a big turnout for a.n.other. As always we will have to wait and see.

And my point was that when a.n. other was Fillion I though the French might stay at home as I couldn't see a leftie voting for Fillion - but I think most French voters, of what ever persuasion, will be able to hold their noses and vote for Macron.