If we vote for Brexit what happens

CKhalvashi

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Not sure what planet you live on. But Governments
don't control the economy.

The decisions this government make could very much affect the economy.

Thrugelmir

CKhalvashi wrote: »

The decisions this government make could very much affect the economy.

In the longer term perhaps. Not so easy to pull levers and change course. The UK has suffered structural issues for decades. No political party has successsfully brought about a rebalancing of the UK economy.

I noticed you avoided my other question. Perhaps not so straightforward to answer. With the main opposition in complete disarray and little constructive policy.

How comfortable are you with a two speed Europe. As will obviously disadvantage the poorer Eastern bloc states.

CKhalvashi

Thrugelmir wrote: »

In the longer term perhaps. Not so easy to pull levers and change course. The UK has suffered structural issues for decades. No political party has successsfully brought about a rebalancing of the UK economy.

Agreed with that, although only 2 have had the chance.

I noticed you avoided my other question. Perhaps not so straightforward to answer. With the main opposition in complete disarray and little constructive policy.

My honest preference would be a Lib Dem-led, 3 way coalition with Labour and SNP bringing up the rear.

Yes, there would be tax increases, however that's been transparently laid out. I appreciate that my preferred choice isn't that of the majority at this precise moment, though.

ETA: I'm personally not in line with Con policies as a personal viewpoint, as I believe they do more harm than good overall. If you want a full answer to this too, then same as below applies.

How comfortable are you with a two speed Europe. As will obviously disadvantage the poorer Eastern bloc states.

As long as the fundamentals of the single market were there, I don't think it would.

Can you remind me at some point tomorrow to provide a full answer to this, as I've just dried my hair and heading to bed with a 6am start (up at 5) in the morning. Nothing personal and not trying to avoid you, I'm just getting sleepy.

A two-speed Europe is my preferred choice, and a bit of out the box thinking will explain why

Conrad

Spidernick wrote: »

Had you had a few when posting this?

Your arguments lose all validity with your repeated 'Remoaner' insult, when we all know that many Leave voters would not have accepted the result had it gone the other way in a close result. Remember your hero Farage just after the polls had closed and he thought he'd lost (his gracelessness in blaming people who were perfectly entitled to vote but registered late as the reason for the possible defeat is one reason why he should never be knighted in my opinion):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSWldkDqrwY

(See from about 1.30 in).




Believe it or not, millions of us still think that leaving the UK is an incredibly stupid thing to do, despite your assertions above. We think this is one almighty mess that is going to damage us all and even the Mail on Sunday gives the impression that it's one monumental balls up:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4304860/Twin-bombshells-threaten-Theresa-s-formal-Brexit-plan.html

The Observer also reports this, but I'm sure you'd dismiss this 'liberal' view, which is why I've included the Mail link (against my better judgement):

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/11/brexit-trigger-article-50-theresa

(note the bit I have put in bold).

Can I please ask you to stop insulting people who disagree with you, as I'm sure you are much better than that!

Leavers get constant insult from pious Remainers claiming we did not understand what we were voting for, that we are working class thickos, so no, I won't stop using Remoaners, k?

As to the dynamics of the vote, you forget to allow for the fact the entire Establishment campaigned for Remain, to include the Govt of the day and it's leaflet to every home, and yet still Leave won. That's a mandate. 68.8% of counting areas voted Leave.

Conrad

CKhalvashi wrote: »

If that happens, there will be less confidence in the government than there is now.

We have been promised freest access to the Single Market possible without being inside it, WTO terms is not that, which proves it's just another Tory lie.

It will then be up to Parliament to decide what to do, possibly through an election. This is the importance of Parliament having a veto on the process, as it gives the government the incentive not to mess it up or even to just walk away.

And yet plenty of prospering non EU nations export perfectly well to the EU. Remoaner hysterics ar every turn.

mayonnaise

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Just an hour ago the pro-remain Independent has reported that - rather than the UK owing £ billions to the EU - the UK could instead demand £9 billion from the EU:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-european-union-brexit-martin-howe-david-davis-boris-johnson-article-50-a7625261.html

Carry on reading and you will see the Independent's pro-EU stance return, but this is at last an acknowledgement of an argument that many pro-Brexit advocates have been suggesting as a valid point of leverage in EU Brexit discussions.

I carried on reading. Did you?

The document was drawn up by Martin Howe QC, a founding member of Lawyers for Britain, a group of lawyers who campaigned for Britain to leave the EU in last year’s referendum.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

mayonnaise wrote: »

I carried on reading. Did you?

And?
So they are lawyers - albeit pro-Brexit.
Lawyers who - as I'm sure you will recall - are duty-bound to uphold the letter of the law.
Just as they did in the recent case bought by Ms Miller and co.
Or are the actions of one set of lawyers right and another wrong then since some do not suit your agenda, Mayo?

Spidernick

Conrad wrote: »

Leavers get constant insult from pious Remainers claiming we did not understand what we were voting for, that we are working class thickos, so no, I won't stop using Remoaners, k?

As to the dynamics of the vote, you forget to allow for the fact the entire Establishment campaigned for Remain, to include the Govt of the day and it's leaflet to every home, and yet still Leave won. That's a mandate. 68.8% of counting areas voted Leave.

And I've told you multiple times before that, in a yes/no referendum with the same question for the whole country, that means naff all. It's the overall result that is important and it is disingenuous at best to try and imply that the result was more decisive than it actually was.

Is the print media not part of 'The Establishment'? They were heavily pro-Leave.

Moby

Conrad wrote: »

And yet plenty of prospering non EU nations export perfectly well to the EU. Remoaner hysterics ar every turn.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-4297802/Workers-face-worst-decade-pay-Napoleonic-Wars.html
You still haven't explained how giving up free access to a huge market on our doorstep will make us all richer?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

What a surprise.

More negativity and "project fear" from the pro-remain camp as the day of invoking Article 50 gets nearer and nearer, since it is widely thought that a final vote on the EU Withdrawal Bill will take place in parliament today.
This will pave the way for the triggering of Article 50 - perhaps as soon as in the next few days.

So as I say, what a surprise that such negativity and "project fear" abounds within these forums and in the remaining pro-EU advocates of British media.
Are the pro-EU protagonists here gnashing teeth and pulling out hair too I wonder?
That would complete the near-cartoon-like scene apparent in so many of the almost farcical pro-remain posts.