If we vote for Brexit what happens

Mortgagefreeman

CKhalvashi wrote: »

How is Hamish's opinion wrong? That's all it is IMO, and I feel the same way.

Because everything he's said /predicted about BREXIT has been incorrect. You obviously couldn't be bothered to read his quotes.He said they'd be an early General Election, there hasn't. He said we'd have BREXIT light, we're going to have hard BREXIT. He said we'd stay in the single market, TM say's we won't. He said we won't be able to restrict unlimited immigration, we will.


Unfortunately, like many remoaners, you're upset the remainers didn't win, but it's about time you woke up and smelt the coffee.

CKhalvashi

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

That'll be a "no" then will it, CK?

To remind you: "anything to support your "opinions" that is as credible as yougov or a broadsheet?"

I've noted you can't answer my questions as to the reliability of the polls.

If you don't mind, I'm busy, have a good evening in the land of milk, honey and wealth

Filo25

Brexiters, you won, nobody likes a sore winner!

The downside of winning of course is that the Brexit politicians now have to go out and deliver what was promised, many of us may think that is unlikely to happen but for the good of all of us I hope that they can do so.

Shakethedisease

Anyone starting to get the impression that the Tories have no intention of hanging about negotiating for two years and are priming us all to expect no deal at all ?

Been more than a few leaked papers lately about worst case scenarios/WTO options, a viral thread on social media from someone 'close to no 10' stating May was planning to walk out after the German elections. And then Anna Soubry on Sunday Politics today talking about 'concerns' she has about leaving in the next 6 to 9 months.

Don't know how plausible this scenario is, but there certainly does seems to be overall narratives changing from 'access to the Single Market' to papers/leaks and MP's now talking about preparing or concerns that there might be no deal. Is it likely ?

Filo25

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Anyone starting to get the impression that the Tories have no intention of hanging about negotiating for two years and are priming us all to expect no deal at all ?

Been more than a few leaked papers lately about worst case scenarios/WTO options, a viral thread on social media from someone 'close to no 10' stating May was planning to walk out after the German elections. And then Anna Soubry on Sunday Politics today talking about 'concerns' she has about leaving in the next 6 to 9 months.

Don't know how plausible this scenario is, but there certainly does seems to be overall narratives changing from 'access to the Single Market' to papers/leaks and MP's now talking about preparing or concerns that there might be no deal. Is it likely ?

Its hard to judge whether that is bluster to try to put pressure on the EU negotiators or a realistic negotiating position these days.

The does seem to be though that its looking like a more likely outcome as time goes by, albeit still not the most likely outcome

CKhalvashi

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Anyone starting to get the impression that the Tories have no intention of hanging about negotiating for two years and are priming us all to expect no deal at all ?

Been more than a few leaked papers lately about worst case scenarios/WTO options, a viral thread on social media from someone 'close to no 10' stating May was planning to walk out after the German elections. And then Anna Soubry on Sunday Politics today talking about 'concerns' she has about leaving in the next 6 to 9 months.

Don't know how plausible this scenario is, but there certainly does seems to be overall narratives changing from 'access to the Single Market' to papers/leaks and MP's now talking about preparing or concerns that there might be no deal. Is it likely ?

If that happens, there will be less confidence in the government than there is now.

We have been promised freest access to the Single Market possible without being inside it, WTO terms is not that, which proves it's just another Tory lie.

It will then be up to Parliament to decide what to do, possibly through an election. This is the importance of Parliament having a veto on the process, as it gives the government the incentive not to mess it up or even to just walk away.

Private_Church

CKhalvashi wrote: »

It will then be up to Parliament to decide what to do, possibly through an election. This is the importance of Parliament having a veto on the process, as it gives the government the incentive not to mess it up or even to just walk away.

Sorry but thats complete tosh. If Parliament had the power to veto any deal and told the Prime Minister to go back to Brussels and re-negotiate what sort of sign would that give to Verhofstadt etc?.

Its not rocket science to see that as a sign of weakness. I'm gobsmacked at the naivety on here and to imply that government Ministers would willingly harm their own countries future is quite pathetic.Anyone who runs a business would know the importance of not showing signs of weakness when negotiating.

vivatifosi

I wouldn't rule out brexit light. For all the talk of hard brexit or clean breaks, they will do what they can to do to get the best deal for the UK.

I have long thought that the clean break scenario is an early negotiating tactic, to highlight to the EU that they are not the only option. However the reality remains that we will not float out into the North Sea, therefore France will still be twenty two miles away. It absolutely makes sense pragmatically on both sides to cut a deal.

CKhalvashi

vivatifosi wrote: »

I wouldn't rule out brexit light. For all the talk of hard brexit or clean breaks, they will do what they can to do to get the best deal for the UK.

I have long thought that the clean break scenario is an early negotiating tactic, to highlight to the EU that they are not the only option. However the reality remains that we will not float out into the North Sea, therefore France will still be twenty two miles away. It absolutely makes sense pragmatically on both sides to cut a deal.

Thats a possibility being discussed in my local area too.

Huge recession (worst case) = Tories lose next election
Full single market/Remain = Tories lose next election

I forsee at least a very long transition period, allowing the bulk of it to be sorted out in the next Parliament, however, and doubt we will be beyond the point of no return assuming the next election is in 2020.

Wishful thinking? Who knows......

Thrugelmir

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Thats a possibility being discussed in my local area too.

Huge recession (worst case) = Tories lose next election
Full single market/Remain = Tories lose next election

I forsee at least a very long transition period, allowing the bulk of it to be sorted out in the next Parliament, however, and doubt we will be beyond the point of no return assuming the next election is in 2020.

Wishful thinking? Who knows......

You rattled on endlessly about the Tories. What's your proposed alternative Government?

Not sure what planet you live on. But Governments
don't control the economy.