If we vote for Brexit what happens

Thrugelmir

connor08 wrote: »

hi


I would like to know to worried about how it will effect my mortgage payments
I don't want them going through the roof

Why the focus on Brexit? Plenty of other factors in play.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Just noticed on Sky News:

Labour Lords sources have told Sky News they are 80-90% sure the Brexit bill will be passed by peers by midnight on Monday.

http://news.sky.com/story/brexit-bill-likely-to-be-passed-by-lords-on-monday-10798799

:T

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Further Polish discontent with the EU:

Polish PM Beata Szydlo has accused the French president of trying to blackmail her country, in a row over Thursday's re-election of EU leader Donald Tusk.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39232136

Also here:
http://www.france24.com/en/20170311-eu-leaders-divided-over-post-brexit-multispeed-europe

CKhalvashi

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

From that statement it looks like you really do need a better understanding of the government and it's relationship with law and the judiciary system in the UK.
Here's a starter for you:
http://www.parliament.uk/education/about-your-parliament/how-laws-are-made/

I think that by now we all know with some degree of certainty exactly what you are behind, don't we?
And that is most certainly not the majority of the UK voting electorate, is it?

As has been said before in this thread, all YOU want is evident in the "I'm alright Jack" attitude displayed so evidently by yourself and some other pro-remain protagonists within these forums.

Fortunately for us, these forums are no more truly representative of real life than the content of the average popular tabloid.
Which is why Article 50 will soon be invoked.

By all means continue your tirade against the democratic wishes of the UK peoples as is your democratic right - but understand in return that it is OUR democratic right to disagree with you and to continue to prove you wrong.
Which you are.

If you don't like what I have to say then please put me on your ignore list.

I'm not trying to stop you having your democratic right, merely attempting to ensure that the views of everyone, not just those that voted Leave are represented. The 48% cannot be ignored completely in this, as this is supposed to be a country that works for everyone.

Luckily this thread isn't representative of the majority of Leave voters in the UK, as I find that 99% of people in real life are capable of having a reasonable debate on the subject, where some on here clearly aren't.

I know how laws are made in the UK and I'm sorry that the government are delaying the matter any longer than you want. This is an issue that you should take up with your MP, asking them to pass the bill with the amendments that our Lords have democratically made if you don't want the delay to continue. I want to see a sovereign Parliament taking control of the process, as my MP is directly accountable to me, where Theresa May and David Davis are not. This was all about bringing back power to the parliament of the UK, was it not?

Also, I am not wrong, there is no right or wrong answer here, but we are attacking the same issue from a completely different viewpoint and life would be boring if everyone agreed all of the time.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

CKhalvashi wrote: »

If you don't like what I have to say then please put me on your ignore list.

I'm not trying to stop you having your democratic right, merely attempting to ensure that the views of everyone, not just those that voted Leave are represented. The 48% cannot be ignored completely in this, as this is supposed to be a country that works for everyone.

Luckily this thread isn't representative of the majority of Leave voters in the UK, as I find that 99% of people in real life are capable of having a reasonable debate on the subject, where some on here clearly aren't.

I know how laws are made in the UK and I'm sorry that the government are delaying the matter any longer than you want. This is an issue that you should take up with your MP, asking them to pass the bill with the amendments that our Lords have democratically made if you don't want the delay to continue. I want to see a sovereign Parliament taking control of the process, as my MP is directly accountable to me, where Theresa May and David Davis are not. This was all about bringing back power to the parliament of the UK, was it not?

Also, I am not wrong, there is no right or wrong answer here, but we are attacking the same issue from a completely different viewpoint and life would be boring if everyone agreed all of the time.

I note (as will others I'm sure) that yet again you attempt to attribute what I have not said to me.

I will not put you on ignore ; I will (as yet again, now) point out when you are wrong.
Then let others decide whether or not you are purposely telling untruths or as merely that your comprehension is poor.

So to this end please point out where I suggest that "the government are delaying the matter any longer than you want" as you say above?

You're correct insofar as "99% of people in real life are capable of having a reasonable debate on the subject" goes; sadly however from your posts it really does appear that you are in the remaining 1%.

If you do not wish to be seen as such may I politely suggest that you cease your very obvious obfuscation and stick to fact.
Because otherwise it just looks very much like you do not like being proven wrong.

Private_Church

CKhalvashi wrote: »

I'm not trying to stop you having your democratic right, merely attempting to ensure that the views of everyone, not just those that voted Leave are represented. The 48% cannot be ignored completely in this, as this is supposed to be a country that works for everyone.

When we have a General election and the Tories win they ignore the views of those who didn't vote for them in the same way Labour do.I really don't get this idea of the losing side being listened too. If this was the correct way to run a democracy then we would get anything done. Its almost like the education system of the 1990's- whereby kids were never allowed to lose a game or fail a test just in case it lowered their self esteem. I would bet my house on my views as being a leave voter being totally ignored and told in no uncertain terms "you lost so move on"........ This country has never been one that "works for everyone" and no offence but its very naive to think such a country could exist

The top two reason why people voted to leave were to take back sovereignty and to control immigration. We can't do either by remaining in the single market or allowing Freedom of movement to continue.

Luckily this thread isn't representative of the majority of Leave voters in the UK, as I find that 99% of people in real life are capable of having a reasonable debate on the subject, where some on here clearly aren't.

Can you explain how the UK can have full sovereignty and control immigration from the EU but still remain in the single market and allow FOM?. I can't see how it can ever be achieved.

I know how laws are made in the UK and I'm sorry that the government are delaying the matter any longer than you want. This is an issue that you should take up with your MP, asking them to pass the bill with the amendments that our Lords have democratically made if you don't want the delay to continue. I want to see a sovereign Parliament taking control of the process, as my MP is directly accountable to me, where Theresa May and David Davis are not. This was all about bringing back power to the parliament of the UK, was it not?

You can't have true democracy when the upper house is not an elected one. Its literally full of life peers and political appointments. I'm happy for parliament to be sovereign but the HOL should be abolished tomorrow and replaced with an elected upper house. I find it strange that you put the emphasis on democracy whilst respecting an unelected upper chamber which has 109 Lib Dem peers out of a total of 807 but less than 10 democratically elected MP's out of 650.............. 2% of elected MP's but nearly 15% of the unelected House of Lords is just plain wrong.

we are attacking the same issue from a completely different viewpoint and life would be boring if everyone agreed all of the time.

I agree with this..................:D

CKhalvashi

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

I note (as will others I'm sure) that yet again you attempt to attribute what I have not said to me.

I will not put you on ignore ; I will (as yet again, now) point out when you are wrong.
Then let others decide whether or not you are purposely telling untruths or as merely that your comprehension is poor.

So to this end please point out where I suggest that "the government are delaying the matter any longer than you want" as you say above?

If you want to helpfully point out where I'm wrong I'd be grateful. Much better than showing the arrogance you are now. Much better to say 'I think you're wrong because.......' than telling someone they're wrong and not attempting to politely correct them

I never tried to attribute anything to you; you said that Article 50 will be activated, I told you to tell your MP if you think the government are frustrating the process.

You're correct insofar as "99% of people in real life are capable of having a reasonable debate on the subject" goes; sadly however from your posts it really does appear that you are in the remaining 1%.

You obviously don't know me at all then, which is probably for the best. Lets not make this personal though, which you seem to be doing a lot of recently, especially when you don't know who you're dealing with (and no, that's not meant as a threat, it's meant because I can't think of another way to word it).

If you do not wish to be seen as such may I politely suggest that you cease your very obvious obfuscation and stick to fact.
Because otherwise it just looks very much like you do not like being proven wrong.

There isn't so much fact in opinion, which I would assume from the way this is written I'm not allowed to have as it doesn't agree with yours. Just for your clarification, an opinion-based answer to something is never wrong, even if you don't agree with it. If someone agreed to the death penalty for shoplifting (as an example), I wouldn't agree with it, but would respect their right to an opinion.

If it was 52% to Remain, would you have shut up and let us get on with it? I think not, so stop attempting to block my right to protest as loudly as you would have.

Now that's over, I'm going to enjoy the rest of my weekend as next week is going to be extremely busy.

Thrugelmir

CKhalvashi wrote: »

If it was 52% to Remain, would you have shut up and let us get on with it? I think not, so stop attempting to block my right to protest as loudly as you would have.

Then your gripe should be with the EU political bureaucrats in Brussels who are fixated with their pet project. So much so. That even the laid back Dutch are becoming somewhat agitated. As may well be clearly demonstrated next week.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Thrugelmir wrote: »

That even the laid back Dutch are becoming somewhat agitated. As may well be clearly demonstrated next week.

Wilders is polling just 15%.

That's a long way from the "laid back Dutch" becoming agitated and 'clearly demonstrating' anything.

Conrad

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Wilders is polling just 15%.

That's a long way from the "laid back Dutch" becoming agitated and 'clearly demonstrating' anything.

You clearly missed Newsnight this week reporting on Dutch liberalism being in thier view more or less erased. Liberals became fanatical authoritarians that demanded people accept things they never asked for.