If we vote for Brexit what happens

CKhalvashi

mrginge wrote: »

Well I actually read the article in full rather than the first few paragraphs.

And it's fairly clear that this 'plan' has zero credibility or support.

perhaps Mr GVH was feeling a little bit ignored by this whole process and decided to stamp his foot a little bit.
Now he's done that we can all go back to ignoring him again.

However I am a European Union citizen as well as being a citizen of the UK. My British passport makes that perfectly clear.

I'm still not certain that right can be taken away from me, and as I've already stated, I will really enjoy the legal case that will inevitably come on this, as it will rest largely on whether EU citizenship is in addition to, or linked to a national citizenship. I'd bet on the former.

There is definitely a very good debating point in the article, and it will be up to European judges to decide whether to recognise this or not.

It would also throw up other significant issues, as EU citizens have the right to be represented by an MEP, and sadly for you, the UK will have to pay for this if it's the case.

There is this petition currently in front of the EU to make it happen. That possibly makes the argument irrelevant that the EU is undemocratic.

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

Completely inaccurate description of the EU. It has a Parliament and a Council of Ministers appointed by the member countries.

Completely accurate. You forgot to mention the unelected commission who are the ones who create legislation and are accountable to nobody. And the Parliament has little power - it is just a talking shop. In effect, through the council and the commission they can push through all sorts of legislation that people would never vote. Because of its lack of accountability big business can also lobby heavily to make sure the world is organised to suit them. It truly sucks. I knew this when I voted Remain. It's one of the reasons I'm glad the majority voted Leave

setmefree2

always_sunny wrote: »

So are you saying that there is some sort of raffle and names for MEP are picked from a hat?
That explains how Farage got the job then! :eek:

Since the MEPs have no power - voter turnout is very low - in the UK in 2014 just 35%. This also adds to the EU democratic deficit. More than a third of all MEPs belong to the grouping that actually call themselves "Eurosceptic" - they want the EU to be abolished. This is the grouping that Farage and Le Pen belong to.

setmefree2

Ex-Bank of England chief Mervyn King tells Brussels: We don't need to negotiate over Brexit - but YOU do

• Former Bank of England governor mounted a defence of the UK’s prospects
• The 68-year-old said that the country could rebalance its trade deficit

Brexit has had rather little impact on the economy, and may have rather little impact in the long run,’ he said in the Bloomberg interview, conducted earlier in the week.‘The political excitement has been enormous, the economic excitement much less so.’

Bank bosses were among the biggest critics of Brexit during the Project Fear campaign, with a string of highly paid chief executives lining up to claim they would move jobs out of the country if Leave won.
Although many have since gone quiet – and no jobs have yet been shifted abroad – an intense lobbying effort is underway to squeeze concessions from the Government.
Lord King urged ministers to ignore their pleas and focus on making Brexit work for ordinary people instead.
‘I don’t think, in financial services, that it would be sensible for the Government to sacrifice the future of the British economy and the decision to leave the EU on the altar of high finance,’ he said.
‘Actually it will make rather little difference to the major financial institutions.
‘Some individuals will move, undoubtedly to Europe, but actually many will not.
‘I think the future of the City of London is secure because of its role in the world as a whole.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4299638/Mervyn-King-tells-Brussels-don-t-need-negotiation.html#ixzz4aw0Xllt2

always_sunny

setmefree2 wrote: »

Since the MEPs have no power - voter turnout is very low - in the UK in 2014 just 35%. This also adds to the EU democratic deficit. More than a third of all MEPs belong to the grouping that actually call themselves "Eurosceptic" - they want the EU to be abolished. This is the grouping that Farage and Le Pen belong to.

So essentially if the people are given the vote it's a problem, if they aren't, it's a problem.
Either these MEPs they have the power to change legislation (firearm argument) or they don't.

It sounds like it doesn't matter to people here because it's wrong anyway.

gfplux

setmefree2 wrote: »

Since the MEPs have no power - voter turnout is very low - in the UK in 2014 just 35%. This also adds to the EU democratic deficit. More than a third of all MEPs belong to the grouping that actually call themselves "Eurosceptic" - they want the EU to be abolished. This is the grouping that Farage and Le Pen belong to.

An "interesting" point, but false in my opinion, linking lack of power causing low voter turn out.
I am not sure you could get that argument to stand up against an argument for voter apathy.
Witness voter turn out for local council elections where the elected candidate could even be living in YOUR street and you " might" believe that he or she understands your problems but probably less than 35% of potential voters will bother to go to the polling station.
Apathy is the enemy of democracy and Britain is shortly to leave the EU because a minority of the qualified voters voted to.

I am in no way wishing to resurrect any arguments about who why or when over Brexit. It is done and the British Prime Minister will invoke A50 in the next couple of weeks.
I find all this further discussion about the EU good or bad a waste of energy. What is past is past. Britain and Britains have to move on and not dwell on the 40 years Britain spent being a member.
I wish Britain well.

Thrugelmir

Thread can now be closed.

CKhalvashi

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Thread can now be closed.

Why?

This debate is far from over.

The UK has voted, but noone has agreed on how yet.

Thrugelmir

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Why?

This debate is far from over.

The UK has voted, but noone has agreed on how yet.

The UK is leaving. That's the reality once the trigger is pulled. Doesn't need to be a how.

BobQ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The UK is leaving. That's the reality once the trigger is pulled. Doesn't need to be a how.

People will only start another thread.

Still the most popular thread on this HP&E section.