If we vote for Brexit what happens

larochelleuk

The EU does work. Quality of life improved in 30 of 32 countries between 2012 and 2017. Exceptions were Norway & Switzerland.

(The Quality of Life index defined here)

larochelleuk

How is it divisive? In so many ways, but a key one is intra-generational (see chart). Younger people chose a different future, including the opportunities to work, study and live across the EU. By "young" that means under-45s.

As non-EU citizens, if they want to buy access to those opportunities, EUR 60,000 is considered a good price, for the lucky few able to invest EUR 360,000 upfront with 300,000 reimbursed after five years.

We pay between £131 to £280 per person per year for it until Brexit 2019, and Brexit will cost us more.

CKhalvashi

larochelleuk wrote: »

How is it divisive? In so many ways, but a key one is intra-generational (see chart). Younger people chose a different future, including the opportunities to work, study and live across the EU. By "young" that means under-45s.

As non-EU citizens, if they want to buy access to those opportunities, EUR 60,000 is considered a good price, for the lucky few able to invest EUR 360,000 upfront with 300,000 reimbursed after five years.

We pay between £131 to £280 per person per year for it until Brexit 2019, and Brexit will cost us more.

How is the average under-45 to come up with £320k and growing?

I know of ways to get residency in the EU that are a lot cheaper than that, as I've stated already, it can be done with (on paper) as little as about £5k, and in reality probably closer to £20-30k if some legwork has been done already.

It also creates jobs, which AFAIK lending money to a government doesn't, creating jobs does the government and adopted country more long term good, too.

CKhalvashi

Private_Church wrote: »

Thanks for the reply .

Its a separate part of the proposed legislation. "here was a particular issue on what we call acoustic weapons, which were these live firearms supposedly converted to only be able to fire blanks, but then re-converted and used in those Charlie Hebdo attacks".

Here in the UK a deactivated weapon has to be tested by the Birmingham/London proof house. The gun has the firing pin ground away at 45 degrees ,barrel blocked and a hole drilled in the top of the receiver so it can never be reactivated or even fire a blank cartridge.

We can buy specific blank firing guns that look similar to genuine frearms but the materials used are not up to the standards of centrefire/rimfire ammunition so if someone did attempt to fire live rounds the guns woul literally blow apart. The proposed EU legislation is a sledgehammer to crack a walnut because all existing deactivated guns will not comply and as such will need extra work carried out to them and then sent back to the proof houses to be checked and certificated so another cost to the public.

On the continent ,especially in Eastern Europe the deactivation can be as little as blocking the barrel up with a molten lead which obviously is easy to sort out. The problem lies over there not in the UK.

The UK gun laws are very very strange and make no sense so Its not just the EU that seems to have a lack of common sense . We can't own any semi automatic pistols but can legally own a snipers rifle that can kill from over 1km away. We can own an M-16 assault rifle as long as its not fully or semi automatic so it can have a 25 round magazine but must be re-cocked for every shot.We can't own a .22 semi automatic pistol but we can own a .22 semi automatic rifle that will fire as quickly as you can pull the trigger.

Again we have a situation whereby law abiding citizens are being penalised for the crimes of the few who's number you could count on one hand (Michael Ryan, Derrick Bird and Thomas Hamilton). 3 incidents in 30 years but drink/drugged drivers kill people on a daily basis.

Plenty of people get drunk or take drugs ,get in their car and kill innocent people on the streets of the UK every month but we don't ban cars. Criminals kill people with illegal guns throughout the country every year and they don't care about the law but we have one man who does own handguns legally and he guns down children in a school and the Government bans handguns for everyone. Makes no sense whatsoever.


There is no logic to the EU or UK gun laws but excuse me for digressing somewhat.

I would suggest that you bring the issue up with an MEP of your choosing for your region. My region has 7, some areas have more, some have less, so it's up to whoever represents you, at whichever party you prefer, even better if one has a specific interest in firearm ownership.

As you've probably worked out, it's something I take no interest in and have no knowledge of, so I thank you for bringing it to my attention.

The only issue I have here, is with the proposed open border with Ireland, would this be a new way for firearms smuggling, assuming there will be more stringent checks on the France-UK ports?

I haven't seen/used a firearm since I was about 12, and only then under strict instruction for recreational purposes, as part of a group activity.

I personally see safety as a primary concern here, exceeding the rights and costs of collectors, however I appreciate you see it differently, and if you have uncovered a flaw in the system, you really need to raise this with the people responsible for making the laws.

I also take your point on cars, however the driving test system in the UK is extremely stringent. Someone I know with a DD conviction knows exactly what I think of her actions, and 99.9% of drivers (as well as 99.9% of gun owners) are perfectly decent, law obiding people. I personally weigh the need of transport a lot higher than the need of gun ownership though, and therefore have weighted the risk/reward factor completely differently in the two, despite in some circumstances being similar.

vivatifosi

Guy VH has been discussing wanting Brits to maintain access to the EU. This is the whole applying on an individual basis issue again.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/10/britons-should-able-keep-eu-benefits-brexit-says-top-negotiator/

Sorry, am on tablet to so easy to post links, not so easy to cut and paste bits that I want to highlight.

always_sunny

vivatifosi wrote: »

Guy VH has been discussing wanting Brits to maintain access to the EU. This is the whole applying on an individual basis issue again.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/10/britons-should-able-keep-eu-benefits-brexit-says-top-negotiator/

Sorry, am on tablet to so easy to post links, not so easy to cut and paste bits that I want to highlight.

It seems like the divide and conquer strategy can be played back at home :eek:

CKhalvashi

always_sunny wrote: »

It seems like the divide and conquer strategy can be played back at home :eek:

I'd argue it's more of an EU starting point, with the full intention to show good will to the UK and the majority that didn't vote to leave.

Lets just hope the Selfservatives don't mess it up

Rinoa

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Lets just hope the Selfservatives don't mess it up

Maybe you should practise what you preach in your signature.

CKhalvashi

Rinoa wrote: »

Maybe you should practise what you preach in your signature.

Ok, fair point, I'll give you that one

Sapphire

vivatifosi wrote: »

Guy VH has been discussing wanting Brits to maintain access to the EU. This is the whole applying on an individual basis issue again.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/10/britons-should-able-keep-eu-benefits-brexit-says-top-negotiator/

Sorry, am on tablet to so easy to post links, not so easy to cut and paste bits that I want to highlight.

Fine – if anyone wants to be part of undemocratic, dictatorial superstate, which no citizen will have any say over, let them move to the Continent. I think people have unfortunately forgotten (or have never experienced the 'benefits' of) living as part of an empire that is run from the top with no say by the citizens that support it through their hard-earned money. Future generations would learn through bitter experience what living under such a construct would be like, and would hate their ancestors who took them into it, should Britain not leave the EU.

It is obvious that there is massive propaganda, issued via various sources, and backed by hugely affluent and powerful people looking after their own interests, to influence British citizens into staying in the EU. Those people are certainly not altruistic, and do not have our country's best interests in mind.

Did any of our citizens vote to stir things up in the Ukraine or Serbia (consequently stirring up Russia), or many other political issues, or for the creation of a 'European army', or for many other things that would best left for the citizens of individual countries to decide? Some democracy…