If we vote for Brexit what happens

wotsthat

Conrad wrote: »

So thousands of people per week will stop choosing the UK then, and go to the wondrous milk n honey EU land of golden streets?


As you say it's terrible here for people with disabilities, I mean we only almost won the Paralympics and lots of disabled people playing a full role in British public life and as TV presenters / celebs, where your rent is paid and benefits abound (one obese 'disabled' person can easily attract a million quids worth of state assistance / NHS ect) and disabled people enjoy foreign holidays and Mobility cars (often then used entirely by a family member), have health services on tap, pretty good wheelchair access, full rights, huge amount of charitable endeavour, yes an awful place for the disabled, a dreadful nasty little country.


A new migrant came in here with a son with not very severe autism. They get £1000 pm for this alone in addition to all the other benefits, HB, free NHS etc. What a nasty place.


Until recently it took far longer to be granted citizenship in Germany, but the UK is the nasty place.


In France I've always found the French far more racist and intolerant. In places like Poland and Hungary racism and intolerance are the norm.

When considering if the UK has/ will become a crappier place it's probably best to compare the UK before and after rather than against countries you consider to be a hotbed of idiocy, racism and intolerance.

Whenever the rise in hate crime is discussed there's always some bright spark who states that somewhere else is worse and thinks this is a winning argument.

wotsthat

Fella wrote: »

Although it wasn't your intention, your post highlights a large part of the problem with EU membership: The fact that the EU isn't a static entity. It's changed beyond recognition from what the UK voted to join (the EEC) in 1973.

I have it on good authority that change is good and anyone against it is a drippy liberal.

Moby

Conrad wrote: »

No but your notion of this being a nasty place for the disabled is ridiculous. This is the land of benefits freeloading, of Shannon Mathews where you can be as irresponsible as you like regardless of the horrendous effects on your kids, and still be showered with bennies and a work free life

Shannon Mathews went to prison for a horrendous crime. What on earth are you talking about now?

So much that is wrong with this nation is due to benefits culture and its toxic effects and it deffo is a big pull for migrants to want to take huge risks getting to Britain and passing through other not so easily duped European nations where benefits authorities are inherently more sceptical

Nigel will be proud of you....yep it's all the immigrants fault....they come here to take advantage of our benefits! Bigotted rubbish!

Tromking

CKhalvashi wrote: »

It is about having a decent standard of living, and running a business that's designed from the outset to be pan-European, I am worried about my personal future within the UK.

Citizenship is the right to live somewhere as a citizen, residency is the right to live somewhere, not necessarily on the same terms as a citizen. They are for all intents and purposes for most points I make the same thing.

The UK is a relatively business-friendly country (despite allegations of being tied down by EU tape, I haven't seen that). What's important for me is access to the 500 million consumers I have access to now.

CK, I think it is obvious to anyone who has read your posts, that your residency here is in more ways than you would care to admit a one way arrangement where your own personal priorities are paramount.
The Brexit vote was in many ways all things to all people, to me at least it was about the future of the UK and my personal aspirations for it, accepting as I do that not a lot of my own situation is at risk by the UK leaving the EU.
As an aside, your definition of a front line public servant is not one I recognise.

wotsthat

Tromking wrote: »

As an aside, your definition of a front line public servant is not one I recognise.

What's your definition of front line?

A front line used to mean some thing very different.

It's a definition that's been !!!!!!!ised to create a narrative for lobbying purposes and to make people feel special and important.

CKhalvashi

Tromking wrote: »

CK, I think it is obvious to anyone who has read your posts, that your residency here is in more ways than you would care to admit a one way arrangement where your own personal priorities are paramount.

I have friends here, I have family here, I pay tax here, and more importantly I have never made use of a dodgy tax avoidnce scheme that may or may not have left me better off, as I don't feel it's moral.

Whatever happens, I'm sure there will still be sub-€100 return flights, so as a British citizen I can visit at my will, just the government won't be getting a majority of the benefit from that, other than a £13 APD charge on each departure, and the tax on the fuel for whoever (probably my mom) picks me up from the airport.

The Brexit vote was in many ways all things to all people, to me at least it was about the future of the UK and my personal aspirations for it, accepting as I do that not a lot of my own situation is at risk by the UK leaving the EU.

Then we are in significantly different situations. I'm not going to say that your views are wrong for you, but I will say that my views are right for me. There's nothing wrong with that situation at all, and I'm more than happy to agree to disagree on this one, as I do appreciate where you're coming from.

As an aside, your definition of a front line public servant is not one I recognise.

From Google:

public servant
noun
a person who works for the state or for local government, such as a judge or teacher.

My mother is not a judge or teacher, but does work for a government-owned organisation, and does see around 15ish patients on the average working day (she works full-time over 4 long days a week). Therefore, she is a front line public servant on that definition, which roughly equivalent to the one I used.

I also appreciate you don't have an easy job, and I don't envy you one bit

Tromking

wotsthat wrote: »

What's your definition of front line?

A front line used to mean some thing very different.

It's a definition that's been !!!!!!!ised to create a narrative for lobbying purposes and to make people feel special and important.

Have a stab at it yourself.
For the purposes of this discussion with CK, it isn't somebody who works as a NHS trainer or someone who works at an airport.

CKhalvashi

Tromking wrote: »

Have a stab at it yourself.
For the purposes of this discussion with CK, it isn't somebody who works as a NHS trainer or someone who works at an airport.

Not exclusively in training at all, and I never said someone working at an airport is a public servant, just merely highlighting that both are in public-facing roles and probably like Wotsthat, face a load of abuse that neither really need.

My quote below.

CKhalvashi wrote: »

My mother is not a judge or teacher, but does work for a government-owned organisation, and does see around 15ish patients on the average working day (she works full-time over 4 long days a week). Therefore, she is a front line public servant on that definition, which roughly equivalent to the one I used.

Tromking

CKhalvashi wrote: »

I have friends here, I have family here, I pay tax here, and more importantly I have never made use of a dodgy tax avoidnce scheme that may or may not have left me better off, as I don't feel it's moral.

Thats a strange unsolicited defence of yourself you've made there.:)
You clearly however have no particular love for your adopted country though and view the UK as primarily a vehicle for your own personal gain. There`s no particular shame in that stance, but it does put your views on Brexit in perspective.

always_sunny

kabayiri wrote: »

We have longer cultural links with commonwealth countries than we do with somewhere like Romania.

We could replace workers with people from the subcontinent, and nobody would notice any difference.

We have been bringing Indian and Pakistani and Jamaicans etc etc here for decades.

At some point a machine will be just as useful, and we will turn to that rather than a migrant.

If this does happen, I hope I am the one in position to make more money from the change in focus.

Absolutely, I think the fact that there was a British Empire it's something that for many British is hard to let go. That sense of superiority is deep seated in the culture.

Just the way you refer to Indians, Pakistanis and Jamaicans in your post is a validation of that, 'bring them' sure, that's what you used to do. This is despite the fact that many Commonwealth countries are now independent and no longer see themselves as ruled by England.
That test will come in due time with a need to negotiate trade agreements. Maybe the Commonwealth is still alive after all.

I understand you are also very keen in automation; must be some sort of utopia you have with manufacturing in the UK by machines and indigenous simply lay on their back reaping the rewards!