If we vote for Brexit what happens

wotsthat

Sapphire wrote: »

They are there to support our democratic system, which some of them plainly appear not to be doing. They are hardly 'impartial'. :rotfl: And anyone who has a vested interest in remaining in the EU, e.g. those who have EU pensions, like Kinnock and Mendelsshon (I believe), or who have business interests there, shouldn't even be allowed to vote.

To go against Parliament and the people would be unthinkable, and would cause incredible anger in the population. It would also be damaging to our country. We have enough to cope with when it comes to the EU bureaucrats, with their hostile rhetoric and undemocratic diktats. :mad:

We need to get on with finalising our departure with the EU with as little disruption as possible both to us and to other nations in the EU.

Quite, only those supportive of leaving the EU can be considered impartial.

The Lords aren't there to 'support' the government i.e. rubber stamp whatever they say. From the parliament.uk website:

The House of Lords is the second chamber of the UK Parliament. It works with the House of Commons to:

make laws
check and challenge the actions of the government, and provide a forum of independent expertise
The House of Lords Chamber spends about 60% of its time on legislation; the other 40% is spent on scrutiny – questioning Government and debating issues and policy.

You shouldn't forget the white paper went way beyond the question asked at the referendum and so deserves some scrutiny. It's down to the unelected second chamber to do this - a bit of a joke if you ask me but the opposition are a shambles so someone's got to do it properly.

An enelected second chamber and an unelected head of state. Democracy in action.

Moby

davomcdave wrote: »

Britain makes a lot things, especially services but also goods, that are sold abroad and is something like the sixth largest exporter in the world. The trade imbalance is caused by the British also being prodigious importers.

It's not fair or okay to call the UK a sad little country. Britain is one of the richest countries in the world and has a decent way of life by almost any measure.

The UK has lost market share but so what? The whole point of the Marshall Plan and lots of aid and trade policies is that it's better to have 1% of 100 than 10% of 5 for everyone. Real GDP per capita has risen pretty much every year since 1955 in Britain. According to the ONS since 1955 only 7 years, 1962, 1974, 1981, 1991, 1992, 2009 & 2012, have seen Q1 real GDP per capita lower than the previous year's. Britain is clearly doing something right.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_rJJuTPWB-J8jkRZoeRi3De2tMLBxVcPKN2D-89lkUk/edit#gid=10

Yes we have been doing something right because we have been in the EU:)
I'm talking about our future prospects!

Ronaldo_Mconaldo

padington wrote: »

Th biggest protest ever seen in this country will happen this summer in London.

Of course it will. Once the sun comes out and the weather warms up the vast horde of angry youth will pick up their iPhones, fill themselves on McDonald's breakfasts and then head down to the capital, stopping at Starbucks along the way, to set the world to rights, obviously Tweeting about their every move as though the world hinges on their very existence.

You go on, Snowflakes, only you can save us all now, with your ridiculous lack of self awareness, save us all!

BobQ

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Since before the EU referendum I have said that discussions regarding Brexit may prove to be irrelevant due to the very real possibility of the EU as we know it no longer existing before the time at which our departure becomes due.

Now it seems that the BBC's Katya Adler agrees, though her thoughts are based upon the rise of populism and she does not consider other factors (and we know there are many) in the report:

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-02-09/bbcs-europe-editor-katya-adler-the-eu-is-flirting-with-the-flames-of-extinction

I do not disagree with the view that the EU is in difficulties or that it needs to change (Britain could have been a catalyst for that change, but that is not the issue now). But I do think that too much effort has been invested in generating a single currency to just throw that away that there may be a series of transitions within the EU27, rather than the collapse that so many of the evangelical Brexiteers want to see.

So for example we might see some non-Euro nations exits, a core of the more stable Euro economies (Euro A) form and the rest form a Euro B.

BobQ

wotsthat wrote: »

It isn't the 'patriotic duty' of the Lords to support the government no matter what. They're there to check and challenge the actions of the government.

Sapphire wrote: »

[They are there to support our democratic system, which some of them plainly appear not to be doing. They are hardly 'impartial'. :rotfl: And anyone who has a vested interest in remaining in the EU, e.g. those who have EU pensions, like Kinnock and Mendelsshon (I believe), or who have business interests there, shouldn't even be allowed to vote.

To go against Parliament and the people would be unthinkable, and would cause incredible anger in the population. It would also be damaging to our country. We have enough to cope with when it comes to the EU bureaucrats, with their hostile rhetoric and undemocratic diktats. :mad:

We need to get on with finalising our departure with the EU with as little disruption as possible both to us and to other nations in the EU.

There are many people with personal and business interests in many of the things that Parliament debates and takes decisions about, not just the many former MEPs of all parties.

Incidentally Parliament has two Horses. The Lords is not going against Parliament: they are going against the Commons. While I would abolish the Lords, it is fulfilling its designated role. How that is damaging the country I have no idea: if you mean by that, doing what you object to that is a different matter.

Personally I think the Lords will not oppose the Commons for the same reason the Commons is damaging the UK (because the people decided it should do so). Democratic decisions are not necessarily the best thing for the democracy that chooses to make the decision.

BobQ

Mistral001 wrote: »

Several senior politicians from the other 27 countries have that Brexit will not be a la carte. What happens if that is the case when the Article 50 is triggered and still the case come two years after that. Nothing much we can do.

I think the above will happen. Even if some of the 27 remaining countries want to move ground and give concessions to the UK, I cannot see all of them agreeing. Thus it appears to me inevitable that we will sail on past the two year deadline and then we are out. We will have left the EU. I think this is what they mean by "the cliff". There might be a period of no tariffs or WTO tariffs will be applied on the day we leave and eventually a trade deal will be completed, but I would not bet on when.

They do not all need to agree. Qualified Majority Voting applies.

setmefree2

Remoaners Last Stand.

When?

House of Lords - 20th February 2017.(2 day debate)

It would appear that the HoL is going to put up a fight and try to keep us in the single market and the customs union according to Lord/Peter Hain (Newsnight Wednesday)

Much Ado About Nothing?

setmefree2

FYI a General election can be called when:-

However, there are two provisions that trigger an election other than at five year intervals:

• a motion of no confidence is passed in Her Majesty's Government by a simple majority and 14 days elapses without the House passing a confidence motion in any new Government formed
• a motion for a general election is agreed by two thirds of the total number of seats in the Commons including vacant seats (currently 434 out of 650)

http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-voting/general/

setmefree2

HoL

There are 252 Conservative peers and they are heavily outnumbered by 203 Labour peers, 102 Liberal Democrats and 178 cross-benchers. The vast majority of these are almost certainly committed Remainers who would have voted against Britain leaving the EU.

setmefree2

Growth in the UK’s industrial sector has hit its fastest annual rate since January 2011, after a significantly stronger end to the year than economists had forecast.
Industrial production, which accounts for around 15 per cent of UK gross domestic product, expanded 1.1 per cent in December. That was a big slowdown from bumper growth of 2.1 per cent in November, but much better than forecasts of only 0.2 per cent expansion.
The growth brought the annual production increase to 4.3 per cent, the fastest growth rate in just under six years.
Expansion was driven by a big leap in the manufacturing sub-index, which recorded a monthly expansion of 2.1 per cent. Output was 4 per cent higher than the same month in 2015, compared with forecasts of only 1.7 per cent.

https://www.ft.com/content/00f0d6ea-ef89-11e6-930f-061b01e23655