If we vote for Brexit what happens

cogito

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

A remarkably naive statement, frankly.

Please explain what war Italy or indeed Greece are "next door" to?
Because if you are referring to Syrian refugees, there are many countries "next door" before you reach Greece and certainly before you reach Italy.
Also the Syrians in these countries (Italy and Greece) who may indeed be fleeing war are where they are in large part because a certain Frau Merkel invited them.
But the others?
The Afghans, Pakistanis, Albanians, Iranians, Iraquis - and the various African nations currently crossing the Med.?

These huge majority of these migrants are certainly not fleeing ISIS, they are economic migrants pure and simple.

Who suggested Brexit would stop refugees?
Not me, so I fail to see the relevance.
It is however yet another example of EU incompetence.
Because the so-called "migrant crisis" has not just gone away, it has been brushed under the carpet by the EU.

The migrant crisis has the potential to crash the entire EU project.

Out of all the miliion or so migrants who Merkel invited to Germany, it seems that only about 40000 have got jobs.

Germany has also issued deportation orders to thousands of migrants who are considered to be ineligible for asylum. Because Germany's past history means they are unable to contemplate detaining these people prior to deportation, what do you think is happening? They are turning up in Paris to try their luck there as they can cross any border in the Schengen zone without any check. The French are less than pleased about this.

wotsthat

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

A remarkably naive statement, frankly.

Please explain what war Italy or indeed Greece are "next door" to?
Because if you are referring to Syrian refugees, there are many countries "next door" before you reach Greece and certainly before you reach Italy.
Also the Syrians in these countries (Italy and Greece) who may indeed be fleeing war are where they are in large part because a certain Frau Merkel invited them.
But the others?
The Afghans, Pakistanis, Albanians, Iranians, Iraquis - and the various African nations currently crossing the Med.?

These huge majority of these migrants are certainly not fleeing ISIS, they are economic migrants pure and simple.

Who suggested Brexit would stop refugees?
Not me, so I fail to see the relevance.
It is however yet another example of EU incompetence.
Because the so-called "migrant crisis" has not just gone away, it has been brushed under the carpet by the EU.

No one suggested Brexit would stop refugees or economic migrants but the implication was it would stop them getting here. That was the takeaway message I think we were meant to glean from the UKIP poster.

Whatever incompetence the EU may have shown the UK has been complicit. There's a lot of cake and eating going on. Anything good about the UK has nothing to do with the EU and anything bad about the EU has nothing to do with the UK.

It is a problem of geography. I don't really see the UK having any brilliant ideas up their sleeve other than using the English Channel as a barrier. Just ensures someone else has to deal with the problem.

gfplux

LHW99 wrote: »

If Luxembourg is as high as 10, you have to wonder just what actually counts as corruption

If Britain is as high as 10?

gfplux

Tromking wrote: »

British car exports to the US up by 50% in 2016.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38751852

A quote from the BBC article you linked.

UK car exports to EU countries increased by 7.5% to 758,680 last year, accounting for half of all exports, the SMMT said.
There was also a big rise in car exports to the US, where demand jumped by almost half, accounting for around 14% of all UK car exports.
Increases were also seen in Turkey, Japan and Canada, with a modest 3% rise in China, the SMMT reported.
The UK has 15 car plants, directly employing 169,000 workers and 814,000 across the sector.

Remember all the posts about BMW in this thread and how important the British market is to them!

The numbers provided in the article show how important the EU is to British car production. Half of all exports 758,680 cars exported to the EU, +/- 44% of total production in 2016. 814,000 people employed by the industry. I suggest that some of those workers start to shout loudly about getting a great deal for the car industry. Anything but a wonderful deal is rather frightening for them and for Britain.

Herzlos

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Who suggested Brexit would stop refugees?

I thought a huge part of Brexit was specifically to stop us being flooded by refugees?

gfplux

No panic here.
Looking forward to next Tuesday and Wednesdays debate. Britain has taken back control and the sooner the debate is over, the vote taken then the process can begin.
Perhaps the triggering of Article 50 might be brought forward as surely the Government has got all its ducks in a row to start the negotiations. Mrs May will have received her instructions from Mr Trump so should be able to get the process under way.

Tromking

wotsthat wrote: »

It is a problem of geography. I don't really see the UK having any brilliant ideas up their sleeve other than using the English Channel as a barrier. Just ensures someone else has to deal with the problem.

A tad unfair.
Merkel`s arbitrary decision to welcome one and all was always going to adversely effect the Schengen area rather than countries like the UK who wisely chose to opt out.
The UK foreign aid budget dwarfs most other nations I think I`ve read somewhere and Cameron`s idea was to fund heavily the camps in the area of conflict rather than encourage the dangerous mass migration of refugees that Merkel unwittingly engineered.
Part of my decision to leave was the fact that the 800,000 refugees Merkel let in would in the fulness of time have the right to settle anywhere in EU inc. the UK.
A foreign leader on an ego trip and that I can`t vote out, does not IMO get to effect the inward migration to the UK.

Tromking

gfplux wrote: »

No panic here.
Looking forward to next Tuesday and Wednesdays debate. Britain has taken back control and the sooner the debate is over, the vote taken then the process can begin.
Perhaps the triggering of Article 50 might be brought forward as surely the Government has got all its ducks in a row to start the negotiations. Mrs May will have received her instructions from Mr Trump so should be able to get the process under way.

lol!
Bitter, so bitter.

Thrugelmir

davomcdave wrote: »

That's not really a problem of being in the EU so much as a problem of geography.

Not geography. It's economics. Thanks to the internet others can see how the Western world lives. Quite rightly they want a share of the pie. Rather than being paid a pittance for goods and services shipped to the EU.

CLAPTON

gfplux wrote: »

A quote from the BBC article you linked.

UK car exports to EU countries increased by 7.5% to 758,680 last year, accounting for half of all exports, the SMMT said.
There was also a big rise in car exports to the US, where demand jumped by almost half, accounting for around 14% of all UK car exports.
Increases were also seen in Turkey, Japan and Canada, with a modest 3% rise in China, the SMMT reported.
The UK has 15 car plants, directly employing 169,000 workers and 814,000 across the sector.

Remember all the posts about BMW in this thread and how important the British market is to them!

The numbers provided in the article show how important the EU is to British car production. Half of all exports 758,680 cars exported to the EU, +/- 44% of total production in 2016. 814,000 people employed by the industry. I suggest that some of those workers start to shout loudly about getting a great deal for the car industry. Anything but a wonderful deal is rather frightening for them and for Britain.

at the worse case and WTO tarriffs were applied, then Uk produced cars would still be cheaper in the EU than a year ago because of the fall in the pound;
whereas, EU produced cars will be a lot more expensive in the UK given the relative strength of the euro plus a WTO tariff.
You're right, those EU workers should indeed be shouting loudly.