If we vote for Brexit what happens

Herzlos

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

You really do need to read more.

https://www.ft.com/content/f736c2e2-660b-11e6-a08a-c7ac04ef00aa

Thanks. I thought the Insignia and Corsa were built over here, but not so (Insignias are built in Germany, Corsas in Germany/Spain).

Those 2 certainly have a lot more to worry about in terms of price increases than the premium brands.

Still, the EU could quite easily demand tariff free trade for cars and only take a hit from us being too poor to buy new cars

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

Good point about Opel. I forgot about them, but it looks like the Vauxhalls we see are UK made, so I can't see Opel being affected by any UK deal. I've no idea what'd happen regarding Ford.

As far as I can see, only the Astra is UK built and even then not exclusively so.
Incidently the top two biggest selling cars in the UK, the Corsa and Fiesta are both made in Spain and Germany.
What price a return to UK based manufacturing for Ford Europe and GM Europe if the deal is not UK consumer friendly?
Brexit may have them both wanting to protect their second biggest European market.

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

Not patronising at all. Just pointing out that we're not currently as amazing a nation as you're banking on. It's just realism.

what nation do you consider 'amazing'
-is it Mao's China that cleverly managed to murder about 40million of its own citizens?
-is is Stalins well organised gulags that you admire so much
-or is it the German efficiency that you

or is it that you just dislike the people of the UK as a matter of principle and take pleasue in finding fault whenever possible

Herzlos

CLAPTON wrote: »

what nation do you consider 'amazing'
-is it Mao's China that cleverly managed to murder about 40million of its own citizens?
-is is Stalins well organised gulags that you admire so much
-or is it the German efficiency that you

or is it that you just dislike the people of the UK as a matter of principle and take pleasue in finding fault whenever possible

I have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to make. I've never once mentioned Any of the communist plans, though they do share some similarities with this idealist approach to Brexit.

Being realistic about or prospects and history doesn't mean I dislike the UK or it's people. I just don't believe we're perfect and think some of us are overplaying our clout on the world stage.

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

I have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to make.

Being realistic about or prospects and history doesn't mean I dislike the UK or it's people. I just don't believe we're perfect and think some of us are overplaying our clout on the world stage.

really that why you mentioned the opium wars and slave trade in the context of brexit

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

Being realistic about or prospects

Your 'realism' presumes we are impotent petitioners liable to suffer a reduction in trade.


It implies we are not particularly strong on the world stage. I disagree, we are a very influential and trusted nation with deep global links and reach, and the acknowledged number 1 soft power. Much of the worlds business is rendered in English law under English Court jurisdiction.


Trump endlessly talks of his preference for bi-lateral dealings, one of many opportunities ahead.


I would think the Anglo-American power axis is well and truly being revived.


Your realism is informed by a massive dose of pessimism and starts out with Britain as a fairly weak player

Herzlos

CLAPTON wrote: »

really that why you mentioned the opium wars and slave trade in the context of brexit

No. You asked why we became great, and I gave you an answer in the context of history. It's got sod all to do with brexit, beyond pointing out that they reasons we became great stopped hundreds of years ago.

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

Your 'realism' presumes we are impotent petitioners liable to suffer a reduction in trade.

Impotent, no. We can still bring down the EU. Do we have the upper hand? Not at all. We're definitely the smaller party here, who'll need to find terms to satisfy the EU27, and not the other way round.

Your realism is informed by a massive dose of pessimism and starts out with Britain as a fairly weak player

You call it pessimism if you want, but I think it's realism. I certainly prefer it to your unwavering optimism, assuming the EU will grovellingly take whatever offer we make and be grateful for the opportunity.

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

the reasons we became great stopped hundreds of years ago.

I don't know where to start, this is a bizarre mis-reading of reality. Ho hum your loss.

Herzlos

Indeed it is. I doubt we're ever going to see eye to eye on anything that involves reality I'm afraid. I don't know why I even keep replying.