If we vote for Brexit what happens

CKhalvashi

CLAPTON wrote: »

I loathe very few people and none simply because they are immigrants whether from the EU or the rest of the world

your sentence is otherwise incomprehensible.

It's not difficult.

Where would the 40 million jobs be?

Just because you've made the figure up off the top of your head and therefore don't want to answer the question doesn't mean the question is incomprehensible.

CLAPTON

CKhalvashi wrote: »

It's not difficult.

Where would the 40 million jobs be?

Just because you've made the figure up off the top of your head and therefore don't want to answer the question doesn't mean the question is incomprehensible.

how many coal mining jobs are there; how many bus conductors, how many farm labourers, how many people does british gas/equivalent /CEGB employ now
have you really noticed no real changes in the last 40 years?
have computers not impacted your environment at all?

jobs are created and destroyed all the time:

what point do you want to make ?

CKhalvashi

CLAPTON wrote: »

how many coal mining jobs are there; how many bus conductors, how many farm labourers, how many people does british gas/equivalent /CEGB employ now
have you really noticed no real changes in the last 40 years?
have computers not impacted your environment at all?

jobs are created and destroyed all the time:

what point do you want to make ?

So, we'd have 40 million more jobs but nothing extra in the economy (and therefore everyone would be poorer) as a result of being in the dark ages?

Errm, right......

Maybe we're better off in a high technology country with a smaller population and smaller workforce, or have you not considered that?

Yes, there has been a lot of change since 6 years before I was born , but the majority of it is good, you'd probably agree?

vivatifosi

Two points from last night's EU meeting being reported on the TV news this morning:

1. Interview with Enda Kenny, stating that Teresa May wants to get the rights of the EU citizens living in the UK and UK citizens living in the EU post Brexit established very early in the process.

2. Michel Barnier sees the UK exit from the EU as a three stage process, with a transitional phase before moving to the final outcome.

CLAPTON

CKhalvashi wrote: »

So, we'd have 40 million more jobs but nothing extra in the economy (and therefore everyone would be poorer) as a result of being in the dark ages?

Errm, right......

Maybe we're better off in a high technology country with a smaller population and smaller workforce, or have you not considered that?

Yes, there has been a lot of change since 6 years before I was born , but the majority of it is good, you'd probably agree?

this makes no sense whatsoever and has nothing to do with my post.

My post was in response to the claimed catastrophy of the lose of 99 jobs, which was blamed (without any evidence) on brexit.
I simply demostrated that jobs are destroyed and recreated all the time ; althoguh I haven't personally counted; but 40 million over the last 40 years is probably a little on the low side.

Herzlos

CLAPTON wrote: »

with 3-4 million EU citizens in the UK I refuse to be paralysed with fear over the lose of 99 jobs.

Because you're focusing on them darn foreigners instead of looking at the problem.

If those 99 jobs were taken by foreigners (unlikely), then they'd still be paying income and corporate tax, thus putting money in the pot. Since the jobs don't exist anymore, thats 99 sets of income tax / NI not being paid, and the business reduction meaning less business tax. It's also 99 more people either on benefits or some jobseekers plan.

Scale that up to the whole country, and we've got a lot of people taking out of the pot instead of putting in, regardless of their foreignness.

Herzlos

CLAPTON wrote: »

how many coal mining jobs are there; how many bus conductors, how many farm labourers, how many people does british gas/equivalent /CEGB employ now
have you really noticed no real changes in the last 40 years?
have computers not impacted your environment at all?

jobs are created and destroyed all the time:

what point do you want to make ?

What has any of that got to do with immigration or the EU?

Herzlos

Rinoa wrote: »

Tens of thousands of companies go bust every year. This year they all have the convenient Brexit excuse.

Do you think United Biscuits or McVities will be going under anytime soon? Not a chance. They sell biscuits !!!!!!, how difficult do you think it is to buy UK ingredients to make biscuits.

It's actually harder than you'd think to source biscuit ingredients en-mass from the UK. It's not just a case of popping into Tesco for a few packs of butter.

Plus, in a globalized connected economy, those factories are about the only places we can make stuff that actually requires people to be standing in the UK at the time.

Herzlos

CLAPTON wrote: »

My post was in response to the claimed catastrophy of the lose of 99 jobs, which was blamed (without any evidence) on brexit.

Apart from the source article, which explicitly blames brexit? Does that not count?

I simply demostrated that jobs are destroyed and recreated all the time ; althoguh I haven't personally counted; but 40 million over the last 40 years is probably a little on the low side.

Yup, things change and jobs are lost as things become obsolete, that's fair enough. But that doesn't mean we can ignore jobs that we're chosing to make obsolete/unsustainable over some petty xenophobia.

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

Because you're focusing on them darn foreigners instead of looking at the problem.

If those 99 jobs were taken by foreigners (unlikely), then they'd still be paying income and corporate tax, thus putting money in the pot. Since the jobs don't exist anymore, thats 99 sets of income tax / NI not being paid, and the business reduction meaning less business tax. It's also 99 more people either on benefits or some jobseekers plan.

Scale that up to the whole country, and we've got a lot of people taking out of the pot instead of putting in, regardless of their foreignness.

you may indeed have the view that the larger the population then the greater per capita GDP
I see no economic justification for this view, either at the macroeconomic theoretical level or in the real world.
China has a far larger population that the UK but a lower per capita GDP as does Brazil, India, Indonesia etc
Some smaller countries N Zealand, Australia, Singapore etc seem to be doing OK inspite of being handicapped by low population.
Greece has experienced large immigration but that doesn't seem to have brought them riches.

Your clear prediction then is a massive increase in unemployment?
But you will still welcome massive immigration too