If we vote for Brexit what happens

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

Tell your friend to start making the stuff they need or find someone that will. They will say they cannot, well fine, go bust then - we need to reduce imports

What if what they need isn't native to the UK?

In their case, they went to the EU as UK producers couldn't keep up or be competitive, so their options are essentially: "fire most of their staff, produce less and have a massive price hike" or "import from the EU anyway, and have a massive price hike"

Herzlos

CLAPTON wrote: »

exports have increased, probably due to the fall in the pound although other factors will play a part. That would have increased emplyment in th affected areas.
You can reference the ONS data at your leaisure and then research the specific industries concerned

Exports have increased, but have any new staff been hired, or new companies opened up to deal with the increased load?

anyway the loss of 99 jobs is negligible and is good to know they are the only jobs losses due to brexit.

It's pretty significant to the town it's in. Plus it's part of a trend showing more job losses that have happened or are looming.

Thrugelmir

CKhalvashi wrote: »

And what about those of us that don't want to trade with the US or its citizens?

Very difficult to avoid doing so. Given the global dominance and ownership in many sectors.

Thrugelmir

mwpt wrote: »

But I still don't think you answered the rather direct question, at what level do you think it (FOM) breaks down and why?

Loss of culture
Language barriers
Closet segregation - people prefer living (and in some cultures working) amongst their own kind.
Pressure on public services
Pressure on availability of housing

CKhalvashi

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Very difficult to avoid doing so. Given the global dominance and ownership in many sectors.

I try to avoid it as best I can, however I do appreciate that it's not easy and I can't avoid it completely.

What I'm saying is though that I don't want to integrate any further with the US in the way I do things.

CKhalvashi

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Loss of culture
Language barriers
Closet segregation - people prefer living (and in some cultures working) amongst their own kind.
Pressure on public services
Pressure on availability of housing

However all no.2 are possible to solve with an expanding economy and low long-term unemployment.

If I went to Germany for ex, I'd receive free German lessons. It's also not hard to pick up basics in most languages (I can exchange basic pleasantries in all countries I deal with regularly, and my language skills are better in some than others, including some relatively obscure ones). Once you have the basics, it's easier to integrate with locals and you do pick up a lot more along the way.

It's not difficult, and the government should be encouraging it at a basic level, alongside employers and the education system generally (for children).

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

Exports have increased, but have any new staff been hired, or new companies opened up to deal with the increased load?



It's pretty significant to the town it's in. Plus it's part of a trend showing more job losses that have happened or are looming.

with 3-4 million EU citizens in the UK I refuse to be paralysed with fear over the lose of 99 jobs.
Since we have been in the EU over 40 million jobs have been lost : you can do the reseach about what happened afterwards.

Presumably some of the 600,000 immigrants that arrived in the last 12 months found jobs somewhere or are you arguing that there is mass unemployment amoungst immigrants and its getting worse?

CKhalvashi

CLAPTON wrote: »

Since we have been in the EU over 40 million jobs have been lost : you can do the reseach about what happened afterwards.

How? Where is the evidence of this?

Is this an admission that we'd have more of the immigrants that you loathe so much if we weren't in the EU? :eek:

Thrugelmir

CKhalvashi wrote: »

However all no.2 are possible to solve with an expanding economy and low long-term unemployment.

How does an expanding economy and low unemployment tackle the issues? Nor is everyone like you. Not everyone wants to integrate into British culture. Basic language doesn't help one understand more complex issues.

mwpt

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Loss of culture
Language barriers
Closet segregation - people prefer living (and in some cultures working) amongst their own kind.
Pressure on public services
Pressure on availability of housing

Ok, but that isn't what I asked. I asked a pretty specific question which I will copy paste below.

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My question was intentionally quite direct. I can repeat it here:
"What are your thoughts on free movement of people within towns, counties, countries, continents, trading blocks?"

So, for you, where do you draw the line of free movement of people? Is it at the country border? What about the fact that we have united countries in the UK that allow free movement of people? It seems to work ok for NZ and Australia.

I'm asking, very specifically, where is the line that your draw where you say, freedom of movement works withing these imaginary lines, but doesn't work at a larger level?