If we vote for Brexit what happens

Shakethedisease

Conrad wrote: »

I saw a respected poll recently showing support for independence falling. The pessimistic fear mongering puddle of Remainers are less and less relevant

Yes, that's right. Get complacent about those oh so reliable polls like Cameron did recently. Sturgeon will thank you for it later.

Conrad

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Yes, that's right. Get complacent about those oh so reliable polls like Cameron did recently. Sturgeon will thank you for it later.

I've said to you before, the Scots won't be voting to tie thier future to the lumbering EU squabble club. You're a canny, sensible lot and know deep down the UK is a very capable potent player and will be even more so as a globally oriented player, andt of course great European member. If you could just recognise the fact there will be no hampering of EU UK trade your whole view would alter

We are the guardians of Europes oil supplies from The Gulf, our navy immensely more experienced and competent than any EU nations force, even more so as the two new carriers come on stream. THIS POJNT IS HUGE! You would be foolish to ignore such an ace in the hole

If you ignore this point it only confirms nothing more than bias, an abandonment of evidence

Moby

setmefree2 wrote: »

You just blamed all English people for building castles in Wales - when it was the French....don't worry I won't hold my breath waiting for an apology from you for your racist attitudes - it's what us English have gotten used to...

FYI it was also the French Plantagenets who united Wales with England - when Edward 1 conquered Wales in 1284 - local Welsh Princes were disposed - I can't imagine for a minute that the Welsh Princes were any better than the Plantagenets - all rulers were pretty brutal at the time.

Absolute nonsense. The invasion of Wales was to extend the land grab of the English King and his retainers. We have been subject to English aristocratic imperialism for centuries. Scotland had alliances with France to back them up against English imperialism. Ireland fought a war of independence. So stop playing the 'taking back our country' card because from where other people stand it's pretty rank hypocrisy.

Moby

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I have seen some spelling disasters I never thought possible from you, but "comforatbale"?

I really wish you would contain your problem with white people and middle eastern religions. It must give you awful cognitive dissonance, as you rattle your biscuit tin in honour of a privileged woman you apparently believe was ordained by (Middle Eastern) God to look down on you.

I have lived and / or worked in every one of the regions you mention. Apart from "Indian China" - that one has passed me by.

He's just playing the reverse racism card again. Deflecting his own bigotry by prattling on about the EU being racist to Africa......bizarre!

Shakethedisease

Conrad wrote: »

I've said to you before, the Scots won't be voting to tie thier future to the lumbering EU squabble club. You're a canny, sensible lot and know deep down the UK is a very capable potent player and will be even more so as a globally oriented player, andt of course great European member. If you could just recognise the fact there will be no hampering of EU UK trade your whole view would alter

We are the guardians of Europes oil supplies from The Gulf, our navy immensely more experienced and competent than any EU nations force, even more so as the two new carriers come on stream. THIS POJNT IS HUGE! You would be foolish to ignore such an ace in the hole

If you ignore this point it only confirms nothing more than bias, an abandonment of evidence

Actually it's quite likely there will be either two questions, two referendums OR.... EFTA presented as the best first stop option for Scotland in the current set of circumstances. It would bring those Yes/Leave voters on board, and also solve the problem of trade between rUK and a hypothetical iScotland. The EU question could wait if needs be. You should understand that the Brexit vote is just a potential catalyst for a potential second ref. It won't be all about the EU.

EFTA would also probably ensure a Yes vote as those who have gone from Yes to No on the basis of the EU would vote Yes again and so over the 50% mark. Is the most likely reason (imo) why the SNP put so many resources into the National Survey over the last few months. The first two questions on it where how one voted in both refs.

Leaving the Single Market though along with the UK ? No. Sturgeon will call a ref on that.

Hey and oil prices are going back up again. This is all really for the Scottish thread then Tricky went a bit liberal elite happy over there... but I'll leave this aspect of Scotland/Brexit here for you to ponder on.

However that Tebbit piece getting the time of day worries me.

Masomnia

Shakethedisease wrote: »

However that Tebbit piece getting the time of day worries me.

Can you quote some of it? Some of the main points anyway. I don't have a premium subscription.

Masomnia

Herzlos wrote: »

I've always wondered though; is it still British because we're altruistically keeping them liberated from the Argentinians, or because it's of benefit to us? Didn't they recently find a lot of oil there.

I think a lot of it was about ensuring our place on the world stage, not just ceding territory to invaders. We didn't know about the oil when the decision was taken to send the task force, and we continued to defend the islands without knowing about it. I think there was a sense that it was the right thing to do though.

As far as I can tell the new President doesn't feel the same need to sabre-rattle over the islands and a lot of younger Argentinians think it's all a bit pointless so hopefully it won't be a problem.

Moby

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The notion that a country can have complete regulatory sovereignty while engaging in comprehensive free trade with partners is based on a misunderstanding of the nature of free trade,” said the cross-party group of peers.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/13/uk-naive-to-expect-easy-ride-in-trade-talks-says-lords-report

Ballard

Moby wrote: »

He's just playing the reverse racism card again. Deflecting his own bigotry by prattling on about the EU being racist to Africa......bizarre!

Without looking it up I know exactly to whom you refer. I find that the ignore list works wonders.

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

Absolute nonsense. The invasion of Wales was to extend the land grab of the English King and his retainers. We have been subject to English aristocratic imperialism for centuries. Scotland had alliances with France to back them up against English imperialism. Ireland fought a war of independence. So stop playing the 'taking back our country' card because from where other people stand it's pretty rank hypocrisy.

oh dear
that deep seated racism quickly comes to the surface in times of stress.