If we vote for Brexit what happens

setmefree2

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Nope, you don't get to change the topic that you started by saying you've never met a leave voter that understood the democratic operation of the EU.

In my experience it was the Remainers who didn't understand how the EU operates.... understandable really as they are just voting for the status quo - I think that's partly why Remain lost - the Leavers ran rings around them.

Moby

setmefree2 wrote: »

That is your opinion. We shall see who is right. The great unwashed masses or you - the Liberal Elitist.

By the way, as someone brought up in a working class community - I find your views offensive but if started down that track I would be here all day....

As I say, I find it hard to believe that you are a leftie... you clearly have no love or respect for working class folk.

How can you be brought up in a working class community and be a tory ....doesn't wash with me, not does you faux sensitivity over my views. I'm not an elitist....it's not unreasonable or offensive to point what motivated people to vote the way they did. It was clear that immigration was the secret weapon and Farage's dog whistle points hit home. I'm also not advocating anything undemocratic re. overturning the referendum. I will support any movement, party that tries to overturn/water it down but only by democratic means! Do you think the brexiteers would have accepted the referendum result had it gone the other way? I expect 48% worth of influence re. what the final deal looks like....to me that means we leave but remain in the single market. The brexiteers only deserved a hard brexit if they had won by a much bigger margin!

Moby

prosaver wrote: »

Im getting a bit sick off thr word populists. . Found this.. thank god,



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Seriously mate do you think I or anyone with a brain would do anything other than use your source as toilet paper!

Moby

setmefree2 wrote: »

In my experience it was the Remainers who didn't understand how the EU operates.... understandable really as they are just voting for the status quo - I think that's partly why Remain lost - the Leavers ran rings around them.

Uhhh............ what did you vote again?

TrickyTree83

Moby wrote: »

How can you be brought up in a working class community and be a tory ....doesn't wash with me, not does you faux sensitivity over my views. I'm not an elitist....it's not unreasonable or offensive to point what motivated people to vote the way they did. It was clear that immigration was the secret weapon and Farage's dog whistle points hit home. I'm also not advocating anything undemocratic re. overturning the referendum. I will support any movement, party that tries to overturn/water it down but only by democratic means! Do you think the brexiteers would have accepted the referendum result had it gone the other way? I expect 48% worth of influence re. what the fianal deal looks like....to me that means we leave but remain in the single market. The brexiteers only deserved a hard brexit if the won by a much bigger margin!

Now you're telling these people what they deserve?

So if someone is in your little box labelled working class, they can't vote along the lines of a cause they support? They have, by circumstance of their parents, been born into servitude to a particular political ideology?

Bloody hell...

Honestly, who the hell do you think you are?

You may not be an elitist but you certainly are a collectivist.

collectivism

noun

the practice or principle of giving a group priority over each individual in it.

the ownership of land and the means of production by the people or the state, as a political principle or system.

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

How can you be brought up in a working class community and be a tory ....!

says a lot about bigotry and blind uninformed prejudice; and of course, why labour is so out of touch with real people.

ruggedtoast

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Nope, you don't get to change the topic that you started by saying you've never met a leave voter that understood the democratic operation of the EU.

I do, I've demonstrated why it's unfit for purpose in representing the people of the EU, nukes, lefties and oppression have nothing to do with it. It's a matter of principle. The EU commission is a consolidation of power which is neither elected by nor accountable to the people of the EU.

Firstly - I am not convinced I have "met you" and secondly, your example isn't an example.

If you think that a majority, qualified majority, or absolute majority of the EC would attempt to implement a pan European economic policy that would be financially ruinous, without being opposed by at least 4 other commissioners, I would say that your worries err toward paranoia, rather than reality.

Are you going to answer the part of the question asking how you have actually been disadvantaged?

ruggedtoast

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Now you're telling these people what they deserve?

So if someone is in your little box labelled working class, they can't vote along the lines of a cause they support? They have, by circumstance of their parents, been born into servitude to a particular political ideology?

Bloody hell...

Honestly, who the hell do you think you are?

You may not be an elitist but you certainly are a collectivist.

Can I ask why you choose to blame Labour for what it was like in the part of Wales you grew up in, rather than the Tories for making it like that in the first place?

prosaver

Moby wrote: »

How can you be brought up in a working class community and be a tory ....doesn't wash with me, !

Ken clarke MP
John Major :beer:
Dessert ha ha

TrickyTree83

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Firstly - I am not convinced I have "met you" and secondly, your example isn't an example.

If you think that a majority, qualified majority, or absolute majority of the EC would attempt to implement a pan European economic policy that would be financially ruinous, without being opposed by at least 4 other commissioners, I would say that your worries err toward paranoia, rather than reality.

Are you going to answer the part of the question asking how you have actually been disadvantaged?

Semantics regarding "meeting" me. And my example is not an example, like a cow isn't a cow and a pig isn't a pig I expect?

We're not talking about the hypothetical operation of the EU commission in your example which would rely on the commission seeing things the way others do. That's not a democratic institution. They are not accountable (i.e. they cannot be defeated by the electorate or their representatives) and they are not elected into that position.

It's not paranoia, it's principle. The EU commission is not a democratic body.

What has my disadvantage got to do with the democratic workings of the EU, stay on point, your deflections and pivots will not work with me.