If we vote for Brexit what happens

gfplux

On the subject of rumours, guessing and speculation.

There are two sides.

1) Britain who want to leave the "club"
2) The remaining 27 members of the "club"

From 1) we have had a consistent "no comment" as official policy so not disclosing the negotiating position.
From 2) we have had a consistent message that Britain can not choose from a menu.

Now consistency does not make anything true BUT there is only one message coming from the leaders of the remaining 27 members "the four freedoms are not negotiable"

So at the moment I think I know what the EU want.

Herzlos

CLAPTON wrote: »

maybe some good will come out of the situation : it will show very clearly how UK legal system doesn't rule in the UK

How so? Are you implying that the Supreme court shouldn't be in charge of the interpreting of the law? That May should be able to ignore the law because of "the will of the people"? What UK legal system doesn't rule here?

CLAPTON

gfplux wrote: »

On the subject of rumours, guessing and speculation.

There are two sides.

1) Britain who want to leave the "club"
2) The remaining 27 members of the "club"

From 1) we have had a consistent "no comment" as official policy so not disclosing the negotiating position.
From 2) we have had a consistent message that Britain can not choose from a menu.

Now consistency does not make anything true BUT there is only one message coming from the leaders of the remaining 27 members "the four freedoms are not negotiable"

So at the moment I think I know what the EU want.

clearly the 4 freedoms are negotiable unless the EU is going to invade us and prevent us leaving that way.
the issue is what sort of arrangement can be agreed and how much damage the EU elite are willing to do to the people of the EU27.

but, yes we do know that the EU27 WANT but thats isn't always what you get.

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

How so? Are you implying that the Supreme court shouldn't be in charge of the interpreting of the law? That May should be able to ignore the law because of "the will of the people"? What UK legal system doesn't rule here?

I am saying that the people of the UK will see exactly that the UK supreme court does NOT rule on legal issues if we have to the accept the judgement of some political appointed judges from Bulgaria and other random european states.

Just to be clear : I am saying that our Supreme court OUGHT to be supreme but will be shown otherwise

Herzlos

Oh right, you mean that May might take it to the European Court, which is currently the most senior whilst we're still in the EU? That's exactly how the law should be. Of course, that option will potentially go away when we leave (but it might not).

Herzlos

CLAPTON wrote: »

clearly the 4 freedoms are negotiable unless the EU is going to invade us and prevent us leaving that way.

Except they aren't and they'd never need to invade us, they'd just let us leave complete and adopt the WTO deal. The EU has made it clear that it's not an a la carte deal - the 4 freedoms are intrinsically linked in a single package.

the issue is what sort of arrangement can be agreed and how much damage the EU elite are willing to do to the people of the EU27.

but, yes we do know that the EU27 WANT but thats isn't always what you get.

Indeed. That'll take a long time to discuss, and whilst the EU27 aren't going to deliberately inflict damage on themselves to hurt us, they aren't going to give us the cake-and-eat-it approach we're asking for, because why should we get a special deal when we're no longer a player?

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

Oh right, you mean that May might take it to the European Court, which is currently the most senior whilst we're still in the EU? That's exactly how the law should be. Of course, that option will potentially go away when we leave (but it might not).

It is indeed the most senior court and over rules the UK supreme court.
I would wish to change that.

Herzlos

Lets hope that's part of the deal the; I can see it being a requirement to remaining in the single market, and easily something May will concede to in order to reduce FoM.

I quite like the European Court.

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

Except they aren't and they'd never need to invade us, they'd just let us leave complete and adopt the WTO deal. The EU has made it clear that it's not an a la carte deal - the 4 freedoms are intrinsically linked in a single package.

lets agree on a WTO immediately and cut the years of pointless debate

Indeed. That'll take a long time to discuss, and whilst the EU27 aren't going to deliberately inflict damage on themselves to hurt us, they aren't going to give us the cake-and-eat-it approach we're asking for, because why should we get a special deal when we're no longer a player?

my view is that EU protectionism harms the people of the EU.
my view is that ALL the EU elite know that.
my view is that political consideration; largely French and German farmers were the POLITICAL reason for their decision.

I believe we should arrive at a mutually beneficial deal : however, the EU elite have openly said that political issues will have priority over the welfare of the people of the EU: I believe them

Herzlos

WTO is a frankly stupid deal though. Tragically, it's what we're likely to end up with, and we'll need to deal with the fallout from that.

Also, more research uncertainty, this time a nuclear fusion lab: http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37777729


Incidentally, the UK elite have also made it clear that they view political issues over welfare.